Ausmini
It is currently Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:44 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 48 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:49 pm 
Offline
Supercharged
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:09 pm
Posts: 1246
Location: Adelaide
if they're slower its because of the much longer gearing.

this however makes them fine to drive on the freeway, and you would be able to get better fuel economy.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:50 pm 
Offline
This space for rent
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:40 pm
Posts: 5455
Location: Melbourne
The fuel economy of a carby'd A-series is actually pretty good considering. My warm 1100 with twin HS2's does between 6.5L/100km (highway) and 7.0L/100km (city), maybe creeping up to 7.5 if I'm revving the nuts off it all the time.

I agree that an injected A-series is heaps more like a 'modern' engine in its behaviour, but if you're after economy I'm not so sure it's worth the investment of $$ and time.

_________________
Simon

The adventures of an owner builder in the Tallarook Ranges

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:14 pm 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:11 am
Posts: 848
Location: Hoppers Crossing
Harley wrote:
jb007 wrote:
...... 5.35l/100km or 52.79MPG for the older ones amongst us. Now to be fair, this was mainly freeway Km's between Werribee and Kew.....


Thats the same as what the 1.3i is claimed to be on the freeway cycle.

If at any point you're getting better economy than the factory, I'd be wondering if something is set too lean, wouldn't want to damage anything in the long run.
:?


Here is my latest AFR Map. I only touch 16:1 when I'm higher in the rev range on a very trailing throttle. I've had it up to 16.5:1 but the car starts to surge very lightly, so I have backed it off.

Image

With the factory cars I believe they don't run as lean, mainly because they are only running Narrowband sensors that only can tell the ECU if they are under or over the stoichiometric ratio of 14.7:1, whereas I'm running a wideband that can accurately measure between 10-19:1.

If I was rich, I would put in an EGT (exhaust gas temprature) probe to make sure temps are not getting to hot, but I'm not rich, so I guess I'll have to do with what I've got.

Further down the track when I've finished doing my mapping, I'll turn on the "Over Run Fuel Cut" feature. This cuts the fuel when you lift off the throttle... my little Renault has this feature and it works very well. :)

_________________
'68 Morris Mini 1310 A+ (Now Sold!)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:16 pm 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:11 am
Posts: 848
Location: Hoppers Crossing
simon k wrote:
awesome - well done :D


Thanks. We should have another dyno day soon! Tim if your'e reading this! :P

_________________
'68 Morris Mini 1310 A+ (Now Sold!)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:18 pm 
Offline
1098cc
1098cc
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:58 am
Posts: 1284
Location: Yarraville, Melbourne
Quote:
The fuel economy of a carby'd A-series is actually pretty good considering

I'm pretty confident that I use more fuel in my weber 1275 than my SPi 1275. :D

Seriously though, with a few mods you can make the SPi run significantly better. A set of extractors and dumping the catalytic converter makes a big difference to the drivability.

_________________
1970 Mini Deluxe - 1275, Weber, Clive 346 cam, MS 4-pot slotted discs, Megajolt ignition Now with new improved Mambas... almost on the road
1966 Van with Traveller rear seat conversion
2008 Prado GXL
All in various states of repair...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:26 pm 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:11 am
Posts: 848
Location: Hoppers Crossing
Fat Boy Dave wrote:
Quote:
The fuel economy of a carby'd A-series is actually pretty good considering

I'm pretty confident that I use more fuel in my weber 1275 than my SPi 1275. :D

Seriously though, with a few mods you can make the SPi run significantly better. A set of extractors and dumping the catalytic converter makes a big difference to the drivability.


I know the Weber I had fitted to my MGB back in the 70's sucked juice like no tomorrow, but then again it was only 16c/litre! (20c/litre for 100 Octane).

I'd love to have a drive of a SPi or even a MPi to compare with my conversion. :oops:

_________________
'68 Morris Mini 1310 A+ (Now Sold!)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:57 pm 
Offline
This space for rent
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:40 pm
Posts: 5455
Location: Melbourne
Fat Boy Dave wrote:
Quote:
The fuel economy of a carby'd A-series is actually pretty good considering

I'm pretty confident that I use more fuel in my weber 1275 than my SPi 1275. :D


Oops, I should have said "... an SU carby'd A-series ..." :oops: :lol:

_________________
Simon

The adventures of an owner builder in the Tallarook Ranges

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:46 pm 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:31 pm
Posts: 631
How different is the stock spi/mpi injection set up to your aftermarket injection set up jb007?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:10 pm 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:11 am
Posts: 848
Location: Hoppers Crossing
kirby wrote:
How different is the stock spi/mpi injection set up to your aftermarket injection set up jb007?


Good question; hope I can answer it... (I'm not an expert in these things)

SPi is more like mine, only one injector is used, hence the term Single Point Injection. My TBI uses a wideband O2 sensor compared to the narrowband used by SPi & MPi. My setup is using the SU HIF44 as a throttle body, whilst the SPI/MPI have dedicated throttle bodies. Difference in airflow... don't know but I do know that a HIF44 has more than enough flow capacity for my state of tune.

The MPi is the most advanced in that it was conceived to overcome the Siamese port problem of charge robbing between the outer and inner cylinders. To achieve this they use 2 very large flow rate injectors (roughly 4 times the flow rate required) and a camshaft sensor so that they can precisely time the injection window to coincide with the opening of the inlet valves. The large injector size is required because the intake window is very small, hence a very short large charge load is required. With a 'wet manifold' system eg TBi and SPi, fuel can be left in the manifold just waiting for the next inlet event.

I have no first hand experience with the SPi or MPi systems, so I cant say what benefits they provide in practice over mine, but I know my setup has transformed my car. :D

Hope this has answered your question?

Edit: Sorry that last sentence sounds a bit rude. :oops: What I meant to say was; I hope I have answered your question.

_________________
'68 Morris Mini 1310 A+ (Now Sold!)


Last edited by jb007 on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:01 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:02 pm 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:54 am
Posts: 529
Location: Adelaide, SA
Here is a small video of my injection set up ... It uses two 33mm throttle bodys off a Kawasaki ... With RX7 injectors this is my first start up cam is Kent megadyne 296 so it's a little rich and lummpy

Enjoy

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s42/ ... 8ff00d.mp4

_________________
I am the son of the STIG

HOTBRICKS
http://hotbricks.org.au/

'65 NCF MINI.....
'69 MINIMATIC.... 9 year resto still on the go


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:06 pm 
Offline
848cc
848cc
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:15 pm
Posts: 167
Location: Adelaide
I put a 1275 SPi motor in my van (now sold :cry: ). I rebuilt the motor, gave it a mild cam (SPi grind from Steve at Brickworx, now rare I'm tipping), a set of extractors and all new sensors and a proper tune. It generally ran at about 6-6.5 litres per 100kms, and whilst I don't thrash my cars (race car excepted), I am not really light on the right foot either. It was my daily drive for 2 years, and I really miss it. Would do it again if I had the time. Good luck.

_________________
1964 Morris "Cooper S" Group Nb Racer
1965 Morris 850
ex 1967 Morris Cooper S
ex 1969 Morris Van (Rover SPI running gear)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:17 pm 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:11 am
Posts: 848
Location: Hoppers Crossing
Beanie wrote:
Here is a small video of my injection set up ... It uses two 33mm throttle bodys off a Kawasaki ... With RX7 injectors this is my first start up cam is Kent megadyne 296 so it's a little rich and lummpy

Enjoy

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s42/ ... 8ff00d.mp4


I love the sound... definitely has a cam! 8)

Are you using a MS ECU?

_________________
'68 Morris Mini 1310 A+ (Now Sold!)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:23 pm 
Offline
1098cc
1098cc
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:56 pm
Posts: 1883
Location: Warracknabeal Vic.
jb007 wrote:
Beanie wrote:
Here is a small video of my injection set up ... It uses two 33mm throttle bodys off a Kawasaki ... With RX7 injectors this is my first start up cam is Kent megadyne 296 so it's a little rich and lummpy

Enjoy

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s42/ ... 8ff00d.mp4


I love the sound... definitely has a cam! 8)

Are you using a MS ECU?


Oh yeah!!
That sounds sweet.
I'd love to hear that screaming through the hills on a quiet Sunday afternoon. :twisted:

_________________
Image Image
'72 English Van...'72 Export Moke ...63' 850...KZ 750E1...'74 P76


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:39 pm 
Offline
998cc
998cc
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:54 am
Posts: 529
Location: Adelaide, SA
jb007 wrote:
Beanie wrote:
Here is a small video of my injection set up ... It uses two 33mm throttle bodys off a Kawasaki ... With RX7 injectors this is my first start up cam is Kent megadyne 296 so it's a little rich and lummpy

Enjoy

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s42/ ... 8ff00d.mp4


I love the sound... definitely has a cam! 8)

Are you using a MS ECU?


I'm using a haltech F9 it's fuel only but sure is alot of fun .... Still needs a bit of work and a good tune

_________________
I am the son of the STIG

HOTBRICKS
http://hotbricks.org.au/

'65 NCF MINI.....
'69 MINIMATIC.... 9 year resto still on the go


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:02 am 
Offline
848cc
848cc

Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:27 pm
Posts: 17
Location: adelaide
I have a Van with a 1996 spi with aircon.

My fuel consumtion is 6.3lt per 100kms. I drove it spiritedly around town to see how bad the economy could be and got 8.3lt per 100kms. This was all with aircon on. I believe if i drove it on the Highway without aircon i could get into the 5lts per 100km average. Really reliable engines. very smooth engine. Bugger all maintainance.

I didn't do the conversion but it would be the easiest injected conversion when you consider ALL aspects including rego and insurance etc.

p.s. the aircon is great even in 40 degrees. If your car is for daily driving get a front cut with aircon.

_________________
V8's aren't cool!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 48 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: 1071 S and 97 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  

© 2016 Ausmini. All garage work involves equal measures of enthusiasm, ingenuity and a fair degree of irresponsibility.