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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:19 pm 
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So $2200 for a roll cage......

Do you have discs?
Do you have good ball joints?
How old are your brake hoses?
How are your trailing arm bushes?
When was the master cylinder rebuilt?
Are the CV joints knackered?

All of these things can save your life.
A roll cage without a helmet can kill you. :roll:


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So $2200 for a roll cage......

Do you have discs?
Do you have good ball joints?
How old are your brake hoses?
How are your trailing arm bushes?
When was the master cylinder rebuilt?
Are the CV joints knackered?

All of these things can save your life.
A roll cage without a helmet can kill you. :roll:


so can a B pillar or steering wheel ;) why is it you are the only one who thinks rollcages are bad? rollcages improve rigidity of the car (better handling) and mean its less likely to crumple like a tin can when you get hit by something...given the multitude of metallic components there are in a mini's passenger compartment, the rollcage is but one more i can fatally injure my head on...personally i'd rather be dead from a head injury than mashed in amongst crumpled panels and shattered glass...leaves a prettier corpse ;)

i have none of those things...but since this is a from-the-ground-up rebuild...they will be bought soon enough :) next year at the way my finances are going...this car will be off the road and unregistered/undriveable for about 2yrs...so the danger of driving it isnt so clear and present :P

my rollout plan is thus:

0-6 months:
1) rollcage
2) body work and paint (including painting the rollcage)

6-12 months:
3) dry subframes cleaned, straightened and powdercoated
4) adjustable spax coilover conversion kit (i know i dont NEED the dry subframes...but they are easier to get and i would like a new set in there)
5) front discs (KAD or metro turbo discs, havent decided yet) with a full set of braided hoses (for most things actually...love that bling factor ;))
6) rear super-fin cooper s drums
7) have the wheels cleaned up a bit and made new again
8) new cv's and perhaps steering assy (if i feel i wanna get new everything)

12-18 months:
9) reco'd 1275 A+
10) stainless steel LCB extractors, dual exit exhaust (symmetry baby YEAH!)

18-24 months:
11) seats (cobra imola 2) and other interior doodads (i've always liked momo so prolly alot of that)
12) brightwork and other exterior doodads (halogen conversion...maybe some new taillights etc)

24-12,000 months:
13) start upgrading engine as money becomes available...this is the slow drawn-out part as since its on the road and will have 75ish hp at the fly should give me a nice bit of power for the time...

this is gonna take YEARS...but atleast it'll be pretty sweet in the end and a grand learning experience in the mean time :)

mini rebuild: $25,000~$30,000
endless hours of fun zipping around back streets and racetracks: PRICELESS!

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inazuma_x wrote:

so can a B pillar or steering wheel ;) rollcages improve rigidity of the car (better handling) and mean its less likely to crumple like a tin can when you get hit by something...given the multitude of metallic components there are in a mini's passenger compartment, the rollcage is but one more i can fatally injure my head on...personally i'd rather be dead from a head injury than mashed in amongst crumpled panels and shattered glass...leaves a prettier corpse ;)

i have none of those things...


Walks away shaking head and muttering about fools and money......


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Morris 1100 wrote:
inazuma_x wrote:

so can a B pillar or steering wheel ;) rollcages improve rigidity of the car (better handling) and mean its less likely to crumple like a tin can when you get hit by something...given the multitude of metallic components there are in a mini's passenger compartment, the rollcage is but one more i can fatally injure my head on...personally i'd rather be dead from a head injury than mashed in amongst crumpled panels and shattered glass...leaves a prettier corpse ;)

i have none of those things...


Walks away shaking head and muttering about fools and money......


well you are the one who implied i was spending my money in the wrong place...i was simply explaining to you that the place i am spending my money now is by no means the be-all and end-all of this car's final price tag...and despite your seemingly irrational hatred of rollcages (you have yet to provide plausible evidence against their safety improving qualities) i am seriously considering getting one :)

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Let's hope for your sake, that CAMS in their wisdom doesn't alter the specs for rollcages between the time you have yours fitted and when your Mini is finished. If your car doesn't meet the specs at the time you apply for a competition logbook, they won't show any sympathy. They've done it before :x .
I admire the way you've developed a long term plan and have a realistic appreciation of the time and costs involved, but don't get too tied down with specifics. You will find opportunies that you can take advantage of, present themselves along the way. Alternatively, there may be personal or financial obstacles that alter your priorities.
In some ways the restoration of a vehicle is more rewarding and fulfilling than driving it when completed. Enjoy the jouney as well as the destination.

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Curly wrote:
Let's hope for your sake, that CAMS in their wisdom doesn't alter the specs for rollcages between the time you have yours fitted and when your Mini is finished. If your car doesn't meet the specs at the time you apply for a competition logbook, they won't show any sympathy. They've done it before :x .
I admire the way you've developed a long term plan and have a realistic appreciation of the time and costs involved, but don't get too tied down with specifics. You will find opportunies that you can take advantage of, present themselves along the way. Alternatively, there may be personal or financial obstacles that alter your priorities.
In some ways the restoration of a vehicle is more rewarding and fulfilling than driving it when completed. Enjoy the jouney as well as the destination.


that's exactly right...something else might come up...personal tragedy, loss of job etc...hence why i am not waltzing off to the bank for a $25,000 loan :P do it in stages that i can prepare for financially and own the whole project outright...rather than having the bank own me :P

i agree that the restoration of a car can be more rewarding than the finished project...i am certainly enjoying ripping the old girl to pieces :P with the pervasive image of how she's gonna be when i am done, sitting in the back of my mind...motivating me through all the hassles and heartaches :)

yeah i have considered that CAMS may change their mind about some stuff in the mean time...hence why i am going with a bolted (fully removeable) cage :)

called John Kean and Norm Singleton up here and apparently both DoT and CAMS accept bolted cages (seems they dont really care if its welded or not)...DoT requires the cage to be bolted...CAMS doesnt really care either way...so with this in mind i can have the cage made so that its removeable...if someone changes their mind in the future, i can always just upgrade the cage...or remove it and use it as a BLOODY EXPENSIVE hills hoist :P

the reason i want the cage is primarily to improve handling, rigidity and safety of my vehicle...CAMS approval is my number 2 priority...i realize there are some out there who think they do more harm than good...but i still dont see how a rollcage is anymore dangerous than anything else near your head in the car...the b pillar for instance...cant imagine hitting your head on that in a hard accident and surviving either...so their negative points are more or less moot...but their positive aspects seem quite appealing...increased rigidity of body and frame...more longevity out of the car itself...and improved handling...

odd that DoT wont let you have side intrusion bars though...have to get removeable ones of those to meet both DoT and CAMS...

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inazuma_x wrote:
Side intrusion bars are ILLEGAL according to Dept of Transport (stupid i know) but you can get bolt-in ones and just remove them for driving around and put them in for a track day...


I was under the impression that as long as they don't inpead your fast exit from the car, that DOT would not worry about them.
I am just about to try to get my Nc racer through a roadworthy with a 6 point cage and intursion bars. Just need that blue plate to say "Roll Cage" and "2 Seater" :wink:

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2200 for a cage :shock: the pics I emailed you of the cage.. around 1100 - 1300 8)


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2200 for a cage :shock: the pics I emailed you of the cage.. around 1100 - 1300 8)


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GT1310 wrote:
2200 for a cage :shock: the pics I emailed you of the cage.. around 1100 - 1300 8)


does that price include installation? apparently off-the-shelf cages are difficult to fit...having a custom one made up by a CAMS and DoT approved inspector (ie. Norm Singleton) seems like a safer bet...he can give me the relevant approval for the cage too :) and so it will definitely be CAMS and DoT compliant when he's done :)

the $2200 is for removing and refitting the rear pockets and fabricating and installing the cage...including GST and installation costs :)

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Minimad wrote:
inazuma_x wrote:
Side intrusion bars are ILLEGAL according to Dept of Transport (stupid i know) but you can get bolt-in ones and just remove them for driving around and put them in for a track day...


I was under the impression that as long as they don't inpead your fast exit from the car, that DOT would not worry about them.
I am just about to try to get my Nc racer through a roadworthy with a 6 point cage and intursion bars. Just need that blue plate to say "Roll Cage" and "2 Seater" :wink:

Minimad


dunno about that...but i've talked to 3 people. one from dept of transport, john kean who is a DoT inspector...and Norm Singleton who is a CAMS and DoT inspector...and all of them have said that side intrusion bars are not legal on road cars as far as DoT is concerned...

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I was under the impression that as long as they don't inpead your fast exit from the car, that DOT would not worry about them.

In Vic, intrusion bars are allowable - BUT, the last time I checked it out, they had to be no higher than the seat cushion so as not to impede on entry or egress. And a bloody lot of good that's going to be in a side on accident. :cry:
The side bars in mine run just above the door bins (sliding window doors) and as such are probably illegal for road use, but it passed a roadworthy without any hassles.

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I was under the impression that as long as they don't inpead your fast exit from the car, that DOT would not worry about them.

In Vic, intrusion bars are allowable - BUT, the last time I checked it out, they had to be no higher than the seat cushion so as not to impede on entry or egress. And a bloody lot of good that's going to be in a side on accident. :cry:
The side bars in mine run just above the door bins (sliding window doors) and as such are probably illegal for road use, but it passed a roadworthy without any hassles.


i am just gonna get bolt-on ones and stick em in the boot for when i go to the track :) and attach them when i arrive...

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1100 is shipped to my door from SA..

I do the rest of the work. :)


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1100 is shipped to my door from SA..

I do the rest of the work. :)


CAMS and DoT approved?

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