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People such as Bob Holden are involved in the Group C Association and as a member I can tell you that authenticity is very key to this group.


Just so that no one gets confused, Paddy is/was a production racer likely to be eligible for Group Nb (post 1964).

May...do you have any racing documentation for the car??

A Certificate of Description or CAMS Log Book?? (sit down Morris1100!! :lol: )

If so...these will add value and help to show the provenance of the car.

The car is already eligible for group Nb and Group Nc. You don't need race history or the C.O.D or old log book for Group N.
The C.O.D. is a fairly new invention designed to extract more cash for CAMS so there is no possible way that this car would ever have had one.
I am not sure if they even had log books in 67.

The car is not automatically eligible as it doesnt have a 5th category log book and would need to satisfy safety regs to get one.
Correct on most parts of Cof D however it is designed to extract money whilst separating the real cars from the 'real cars' restored from a right hand front hub from jim richards ATCC winning M3! This process also protects the owners of real cars from having to race against all 7 '1977 Bathurst' winning Ford coupes. (sarcasm)
I strongly believe Mays car is real! An old log book falling off the face of the earth doesnt suddenly mean Brian Foley and Paddy didnt race a motor car at Bathurst in 67', it just means the logbook for the car they raced is no longer around.

If you read the first post in this thread it says there is a log book


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Yep - a log book was issued to Paul Merry by CAMS when he bought the car from Harvey Lane. He still has it and I have a scanned copy of it.

In 1967 log books for not needed for Bathurst.

The only "piece of paper" I currently don't have (in person or a copy of) is the original rego papers when the car was sold to Eric Lane.

Like I said before - photos of Paddy now will come when I'm ready.

Some of it is in very good condition, some medium and some not so good. There is rust in the bottom of each door. Also some rust in the floor pan on the front passenger side (but no where else that I can see) Inside the boot and engine bay look very good.

Unfortunately the rats did get in over the years and made nests which I kept cleaning out. They have chewed a couple of places on the back seat.

Until I can get Paddy out in the open and give him a good clean I can't really comment any further.


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I am not sure if they evenIf you read the first post in this thread it says there is a log book


Yeah May said she had one somewhere.
It would almost definitely have had one at some stage in its life.
Would be fantastic if its the originl with the Bathurst '67 entry!
To run in group N it will need a current Historic log book and comply to the requirements of it.

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I am not sure if they evenIf you read the first post in this thread it says there is a log book


Yeah May said she had one somewhere.
It would almost definitely have had one at some stage in its life.
Would be fantastic if its the originl with the Bathurst '67 entry!
To run in group N it will need a current Historic log book and comply to the requirements of it.

You would not bother racing a car like this in Group N.
Group N is designed off the old Improved Production class. That is for modified cars. This car raced in Series Production and is unmodified.

If you wanted to race in Group N you would use an 850 body and start from there.

There is really no class for an old Series Production car to race in without modifying (bastardising) it to suit the rules.


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Morris 1100 wrote:
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I am not sure if they evenIf you read the first post in this thread it says there is a log book


Yeah May said she had one somewhere.
It would almost definitely have had one at some stage in its life.
Would be fantastic if its the originl with the Bathurst '67 entry!
To run in group N it will need a current Historic log book and comply to the requirements of it.

You would not bother racing a car like this in Group N.
Group N is designed off the old Improved Production class. That is for modified cars. This car raced in Series Production and is unmodified.

If you wanted to race in Group N you would use an 850 body and start from there.

There is really no class for an old Series Production car to race in without modifying (bastardising) it to suit the rules.


You would never modify it to suit any rules but a CofD would be an asett to the car.

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Maybellene

I have sent you a private message. I know the car and I knew your husband and you way back then. I am saddened at your husbands passing.

Mike


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I have sent you a private message. I know the car and I knew your husband and you way back then. I am saddened at your husbands passing.

Mike


Hello Mike,

Thank you for your message and condolences. Even though Chris had been sick for a very long time and was very, very (and then some) difficult for the last 6-8 months I still miss him. Some days are good and some days (and nights) are not.


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Of course you miss him. He was your life partner. Its entirely understandable and we all respect that.

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Great to meet Maybellene at Zetland and shoot the breeze with other Mini nuts 8)

Lerved that hat Kev :P :lol:

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Hi,

This would have to be one of the most interesting posts I have read in a very long time.

You have me intrigued. Great to see such an important Australian BMC race car surfacing.

Just to clarify the role of a COD in Group N racing. They are primarily used to allow "geniune period race cars" to run in Group NC with their full period modifications. There are certain period modifications that Geoghan, Moffat and Beechey ran in period that are no longer legal in Group NC. The COD cars can run these modifications if the owner can prove they were run in the period on their car and have it documented in the COD.

There is an ex Geoghan Mustang that runs in Sydney in this form.

If this ex Bathurst car was to run in Group N it would be as an NC car as it is post 1964. It would also not be competitive as it has Australian wind up window doors which are too heavy. The NC Mini's need to run the rare Alloy sliding window doors with perspex windows to be competitive.

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Hi,

This would have to be one of the most interesting posts I have read in a very long time.

You have me intrigued. Great to see such an important Australian BMC race car surfacing.

Just to clarify the role of a COD in Group N racing. They are primarily used to allow "geniune period race cars" to run in Group NC with their full period modifications. There are certain period modifications that Geoghan, Moffat and Beechey ran in period that are no longer legal in Group NC. The COD cars can run these modifications if the owner can prove they were run in the period on their car and have it documented in the COD.

There is an ex Geoghan Mustang that runs in Sydney in this form.

If this ex Bathurst car was to run in Group N it would be as an NC car as it is post 1964. It would also not be competitive as it has Australian wind up window doors which are too heavy. The NC Mini's need to run the rare Alloy sliding window doors with perspex windows to be competitive.

Cheers,
HRS


Ahhhh come on....you can always ask GR to build a torqueier unit to compensate!....................another way is to accept the weight penalty and put the Driver on a diet, An-thin-y!! :lol:

Cheers Mick...good to catch up on Sunday :D

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Im 100% certain i weigh less than any of the race drivers.

I'll pilot ol' paddy.

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On Saturday 26th March both Paddy and Wendy (and approximately 80% of the spare parts) were sold to Greg Coates, so they are now both Queenslanders. Most offers came from people only wanting Paddy but Greg was willing to take them both, restore both and keep them together.

On Sunday 3rd April "my other mini" the 1964 long stroke Cooper and approximately 20% of the spare parts (non-Cooper S) were sold to Graham Hatfield.

The Morris 1100 and 1100s are still here along with a certain amount of spares and parts and I'm currently waiting to hear back from several people who have expressed an interest in them.

I thank you all for your interest and more so thank those who were able to further my quest for information about Paddy.

In due course (after the Sydney Royal - poultry first right now) I shall set up a website as a tribute, mostly to Paddy, but with extra pages for the other minis that have been part of my life for so long.

Best wishes..............Irene Hannan


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great result - they're both in the hands of people who will look after them


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I can't wait to see what Greg does to them :shock:

His cars are always top notch.

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