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miniVan

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:38 pm

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has anyone had any experience with the cone replacement coil springs??

eg:
http://www.minispares.com/Product.aspx?pid=37254
or the complete coilover kits?
http://www.minispares.com/Product.aspx?pid=34279
there not much more expensive than competition cones
http://www.minispares.com/Product.aspx?pid=37258

are these worth the money over standard cones with good shocks?

i'm just looking for anyone with experience for each type guys
forums open!

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:45 pm

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There was a topic on coil springs a fair while back heres the thread

http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4185&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=coil+springs

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:12 pm

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There was recently a thread on mini mania regarding these and some recent breakages that have occured. KC is fairly vocal about what he thinks of them!

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:19 pm

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Here it is......

http://www.minimania.com/web/threadid/6 ... thread.cfm

Complete with pics.

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:31 pm

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ok.. so i see kc's point on the cone replacement coils.. but i dont understand the problem with complete coilovers if uppermounts a strengthened approprately

also.. with my recent trumpet failure.. i dont see why people are so concerned with coil failures.. its not like i can now go and sue morris for their trumpets failing to last 40 years of abuse

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:50 pm

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but they did last 40 years of abuse these things are lasting a mater of months .......
coil overs are good BUT you need to cut and shut the rear towers and strengthen the uper suprts cos the cone takes most of the shock out the ride and the shock smoothes it out also the cone takes the weight not the shock so now you are puitting all the weight on the coil over if you know what i mean so streghtening it would be a good idea
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:08 pm

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the coils are binding so snapping.. bad design as they are like one fat coil

coilover for me are the way to go i need more room in my engine bay (need to remove cone towers)

anyone know anything about rear beam suspension? like a 5 link rear end instead of the rear mini subframe

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:07 pm

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miniVan wrote:

There are mounting kits that we are assured require no body mods. Beams I believe require major body mods to incorporate the control arms required to locate the beam.

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:38 am

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why dont you just go conventional mini handling tuning... if you want to spend loads of money, get some of those KAD alloy trailing arms for the back end! They will help keep the weight down and make it handle better...
properly setup negative camber arms and caster... and the biggest of all!~ right tyres...

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:27 am

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just weighing up my options.. because clearly a setup of suspension "engineered" in my garage will clearly out perform the original..

hmm how does sarcasm come though in text,.. anyway

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:30 am

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my main reason for this is trying to get extra room in the engine bay for a starlet engine in my roundy.. so i will go coilovers at the front..

the rear however is another kettle of fish.. i cant see how beam axle can outperform the IRS i have now (if setup correctly with camber brackets/hilos/road-rally cones/sway bar)

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:16 pm

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the beam axle is really good for handling because it cuts down on a heap of weight... well thats the way i think it works.

Properly setup IRS is slick though and I dont know if it would be value for money putting a beam axle in....

Is this on the money guys?

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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:10 pm

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One advantage of the beam axle is that the wheels always stay at the set angle to the road (except over bumps). If you set it up with 1° of camber that is what you will have when you are in a corner.
With the trailing arm suspension you can set it up with 1° but when the car rolls in a corner the loaded wheel rolls with the car and you lose the camber.

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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:31 pm

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why would all these manufactures be going to IRS is live axle was so good then?

i can only see weight as being an advantage

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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:43 pm

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Morris 1100 wrote:

I also suspect it will suffer big toe changes as well.

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