bump..

any thoughts on this?

Cheers

It looks the goods....as does the zena racing one.....

One of the Adelaide starlet guys recently put the zena one on the dyno and got the 150hp mark.....but getting that just requires getting flow.....the real test is in the longevity of it

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1962 Morris 850.....with a 1310

1998 Toyota starlet.....161.1hp atw

A lot of nifty stuff there Pubs, I for one didnt know the TD04L conversion was that widely accepted.

A new exhaust manifold is a must, or you risk not utilising the full potential of the new turbo. Obviously that means a new, or revised dump. The stuff seems cheap, I hope the quality is good.

I like the idea of the kit, even contains new braided oil and water lines. Mind you, I dont know if you can use the radiator - you could always resell that here of course.

This line is the killer though:
THIS KIT WILL SEE YOU 250-270 HP WITH GOOD FUEL MANAGEMENT AND PROPER TUNING.

Think about new EMS if you are going this route!

Cheers,
Tricky

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Tricky I think they are also assuming you have bought their Pauter rods and the forged pistons as 250-270 on standard internals which make it go bang. The standard rods are strong but the general advice is 180-200hp and 14psi whichever comes first. And yes, you can run above these and it may run quite happily but I think it would be a timebomb, a question of when not if...

Cheers

Matt

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225hp atw on 14psi. 1/4 Mile no idea. Take one 1971 Mini Clubman, one Starlet GT Halfcut, Simmer over a warm MIG Welder, and Voila Minstar! www.mpdesign.id.au

Yeah, totally agree with you there Matt!

Didnt read the full article just skipped through it!

250-270hp is a failry high figure to quote though seeing 210-215 seems to be the upper limit (according to Austarlet website) for a TD04L setup!

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maybe they are talking 250-270 at the fly? but still i think they are going a bit ott.

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1992 Toyota Starlet GT EP82

I hate it when people quote power numbers.

You can make what ever power you want to for a one off dyno run reasonably easily... making it reliably and repeatably costs big $$$.

Making it driveable on the street and fast around / down a track is another thing all together!!

....and often the big power dyno queens are neither of the above.

Yeah tricky wasn't trying to ambush but as we have all said the figure could be based on anything (crank, using avgas etc etc). I also thought that those figures were high even for a TD? I think if I clear up the overfuelling I might crack 200 atw on 14psi but even then I don't think this will be its general state, probably 12psi and whatever that brings. Would love to go the forged internals but don't have the time or money to do the work. Oh well still goes **** fast!!

Cheers

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225hp atw on 14psi. 1/4 Mile no idea. Take one 1971 Mini Clubman, one Starlet GT Halfcut, Simmer over a warm MIG Welder, and Voila Minstar! www.mpdesign.id.au

True Matt, and I am not putting much stock in their claimed figures.

Talking with a couple of guys off the Austarlet forum who have gone the TD04L route, they stated that low 200's was about the limit for the TD, and perhaps mid-200's with extensive headwork and cams!

If I get to 200 I will be extremely happy - I will leave the 'Horsepower Heroes' to others with money trees in their back-yards (as you rightly pointed out)!

I think that 200 fwhp will be a good figure with 'only' 14psi of boost.

Cheers,
Tricky

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hehehehe..... (gets excited) I can't wait to get mine running.

I think you would need a bigger turbo than the TDO4 to get 200HP atw on 14psi. You will get close - i think 170-180 from what my motor is doing and i have all the correct fueling mods. Unless we're talking flywheel figures, then in that case 200HP is easily possible on 14psi.

I should be able to get mine to crack 200HP at least once on the dyno, but no way it will be safe with that for an extended period of time. Maybe just for Dyno and Drags, but even then i think there is only so much power you can use. (might be a 3rd/4th gear high boost setting)

What needs to be focused on is the drivability of the kits, the power curve and how it's delivered. Focus on suspension, LSD's and Tires - these things will make the biggest difference than searching for more power. The idea behind my build was always positioned more towards track/street use and not outright power and i think the TDO4 is a good match for usable performance, going much bigger creates too much lag and any smaller and you struggle to get the top end power.

I've been in 3 4EFTE mini's in NSW, one making about 140HP the other 170HP and Dean's making 200HP and everyone of them brings a smile to your face and is insanely fast for a mini and everyone of them does it in a different way. Like just about all conversions i think every one is unique so far.

Would be good to get all the cars together at one place..Dyno in July anyone?

My 2c

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Starlet Conversion:
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15484

Yeah, sounds good Josh.

I really want to check my manifold out, see how much of a difference it will make.

From the Austarlet site -
http://www.austarletclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7325

The spread for a TD04L is from 175 fwhp to 215 fwhp with a lot hovering around the 202 - 210 mark. Boost pressures range from 14-18 psi with one at 20psi(?)

Intercool, who has the same setup as me, minus the manifold, recorded 208.5 on 16psi. I would like to aim for 200fwhp on 14-15psi and I hope the ramhorn manifold will provide the extra flow.

In saying all this, Josh is absolutely right, its area under the curve and power delivery - which ultimately leads to driveability. No use having mega-grunt that comes on in a peaky powerband right at the top of your rev limit, and then driving that around town.

The Dyno and track will tell.

Josh, and chance of teeing that up with a session at Wakefield the day after??

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The only real way to compare is to get some of the cars from the list on austarlet to attend our dyno day - maybe we can invite a few along for fun.

Tricky would you be able to make it down in July with your car? Matt? Pubs?

Problem with teeing up a Wakefield track day with a dyno day is that the dates aren't available this early and we need to start planning the dyno now so we get the numbers.

I'm happy to set aside some dates free for a track day as well, but ultimately we'd have to wait until at least May/June for the dates.

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Starlet Conversion:
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15484

teh he he he

Yeah, hopefully I will have the car ready to at least Dyno!

The track day can wait till later in the year. It would be good to circulate with some of the Starlet drivers as well to see how we compare.

I will have to extract the digit that's for sure.

(Notice how I deliberitely haven't used a certain word in case of ridicule and derision by my peers )

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ok....which mod was bored enough to go through this whole page changing "t h e" to "teh"
ahhh wtf is happening!! it changes automatically!

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1968 Morris Mini Deluxe......sold
1992 Toyota Starlet GT EP82