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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:49 pm 
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So Sports, does that mean you would like some billet alloy rocker covers made ???,,, or have you simply miss-read the "Roller Rockers" part of the edit & mistaken it for "rocker covers"

Hhhmmmm,,,, billet alloy MiniMan rocker covers,,, good idea tho :-) i`m just not sure how many people would want to pay the sort of money it would cost to do a run of them... but still it`d be a good advert when fitted to all my A-series donks hey?

I was looking at making up alloy plates with "MiniMan" CNC machined into them , to fit in between all the bimmer twin Cam covers... & Anodise them all different colours too , yeah???

Albino235,,, i`m pretty sure the average Joe/Jane with a road engine won`t want to spend big bucks on my alloy roller rockers, & i don`t expect noise to be an issue anyway , they`re made so dam well , but i`m yet to test them in one of my race engines so they won`t be out for ages, & we run rather large rocker clearances on our race engines anyway. When the alloy flywheels are finished i`ll test the first one of those in the race engine for a year or so as well , just to make sure all is sweet before i sell them. Just like i tested the bImmer twin cam kits for nearly a year before i started making heaps of them.

I have to make sure of quality control as best i can before selling this sort of stuff & the best way i know how to do that is test it all myself on my own engines yeah???

cheers & more pics comming soon

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:oops: :oops: :oops: Can't believe I did that , read it several times too and checked the photo for rocker covers . I must have been hoping someone was going to do something different for the bling addicts here ....

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tsi lla ujst na topcil lliusion, sit ni eht ywa i rwtie ti lla wdno

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:oops: :oops: :oops: Can't believe I did that , read it several times too and checked the photo for rocker covers . I must have been hoping someone was going to do something different for the bling addicts here ....


Don't feel bad, I did it too :oops:

Although I kept quiet :lol:

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`m pretty sure the average Joe/Jane with a road engine won`t want to spend big bucks on my alloy roller rockers, & i don`t expect noise to be an issue anyway , they`re made so dam well , but i`m yet to test them in one of my race engines so they won`t be out for ages, & we run rather large rocker clearances on our race engines anyway. When the alloy flywheels are finished i`ll test the first one of those in the race engine for a year or so as well , just to make sure all is sweet before i sell them. Just like i tested the bImmer twin cam kits for nearly a year before i started making heaps of them.


Sounds like you thought about it more than i did :)
Oh and I'll test some for you ::D


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When you've got Matt's kit, you'll need a block to sit it on. I have one for sale.

The ad is here: http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37389

Pics and discussion here: http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic ... highlight=

It's got a NSW police engine number, previous number started with 12Y but the rest is unreadable. It has a scored #2 bore from a loose pin, has block, crank, rods, pistons, cam and timing set. Nothing else.

People have asked me if it can be bored or if #2 will need sleeving. I don't know and don't have time to find out. Buyer will have to look & make a judgement. Price is set in expectation of needing sleeving, so you may be lucky and get a real bargain.

The bore is 71.4 mm. Standard is 70.61 mm. Therefore the bore is +30 thou at the moment. The capacity is therefore about 1310 cc.

The crank big end journals are 44.4 mm. This is standard size but you would probably need to go down on size to clean up the surface.

I haven't measured the main bearings as the crank is still in the block.

$330 ono. Pick up only.


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Nah, bugga ya,,, you can all wait now :-)


They look like trendy latte-sucking coffee cups to me :oops: :lol:

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how big are the chambers in the bike heads?

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Mokestar, if it`s .030 tho bore then that makes it (approx)1300cc

& Jbeenz, The bimmer twin cam chambers are 28cc

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& Jbeenz, The bimmer twin cam chambers are 28cc


mmmmm, so how would you rate the cost of a conversion as opposed to modding a well flowed 12G940 with 28cc chambers from a stock head)?
if you see where im going here :lol:

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Well,,, i`d say that a fully sick, mega U-beauty, Hi-reving, race type, twin cam, turbo charged, sequential injected donk would far far far out perform a 5 port.

Soooo,,, In that vein i can`t really go comparing the costs between the 2 different designs

However---> If, for example , you wanted to do a cheap boosted 5 port A series engine & then compare that with a cheap boosted twin cam conversion, then the 5 port would obviously be far cheaper & probably far better value for money

But,,, concidering all the niceties or benefits of the Bimmer conversion, the smoothness, the economy (when driven economically) the reliability, the power spread & power delivery, the flexability, the revability, the all round efficiency of it is obviously far far better than a 5 port & then you also have something a little differnt to everyone else.

It`s a bit hard to compare the 2 in any guise really as it`s not really comparing apples with apples, but i do get your point & to answer you question in relation to comparing the "cost" between the 2 (in all fairness) --->then the 5 port is "Cheaper" (Obviously there`s far less over all expense outlay)

It really comes down to a matter of """Horses for courses""" & ---> """You get what you pay for"""

Add some more time & money in the right places on any engine & you end up with a far better item, simple as that

Not everyone jumped onto the KAD twin cam heads when they were finally released & obviously for that very same reason you`re talking about... Not everyone is a millionaire & nor does everyone want a twinky either.

This "Alternative" is simply a far better "value for money" opperation for those wanting something like the KAD & or Jack Knight without the huge price tag. Maybe concidr it like an """In-Betweeny""" :-) (In-Bimmer-Twinky) :-)

Adding a blower to the Bimmer is also just a more simple means to (1)- get even more power & (2)- Utilise the allready rather large combustion chambers without having to spend huge somes of money having hi deck, Dome shape, fly cut pistons, made up to allow a high enough compression for running them in Naturally asspirated form.

Sooo,,, i totally understand your view & am happy to suggest to any & everyone that if they want a cheap, go-fast mini, then the bimmer conversion simply isn`t for them (altho with a bit of nouse & simple engineering & mechanical skills, & equipment you can make a Bimmer twinky set up pretty dam cheap because someone like that can do nearly everything him/her self & save a huge chunk of money & end up with a really nice grunty, hi reving, hi horse power, smooth & quiet engine indeed. But not everyone is that skilled & equiped either.

Ok,,, so lets do what i don`t like to do (as i said above) Lets compare the 8v with the 5 port for a minute--> they both have relatively the same sized valves right? so you wouldn`t really expect much of a difference in flow between the 2 right? But that`s where you`re wrong,,, the 8V has far far better port angles & shapes & far far superior heat dissipation with the alloy, no cyl scavaging like the siamese 5 port does, cross flow configuration is a prooven high horse power high flow design, Pent-roof/hemi type combustion chamber shape with central spark plug location, all of which have been well prooven to produce better figures than other designs, & then we also have the fact that they all come allready fitted with the entire inlet system--> injection throttle bodies, fuel rail, fuel regulator, injectors, etc etc etc all ready to simply buy a computer & wire it up.

Now lets make that same comparison, but this time we`ll use the 16v head, with nearly twice as much valve curtain area than the 5 port A series

Hhhmmmm ---> YES, now we`re talking a totally different kettle of fish....

& now lets make it the later model 1200 bimmer cyl head version with even bigger cams & valves than the 1100,,, Hhhmmm---> YES, now we`re getting somewhere,

now lets add some decent sized ports & even bigger valves to that, add some wilder cams & add the blower then,,, yeah???

So,,, ---> your point is noted & agreed upon for sure, There`s no doubt---> A 5 port is obviously cheaper.

Now in saying all that tho,,, i know of quite a few very very high powered turbo A series 5 ports engines all over the world & nearly all of them have major dramas getting all that grunt to the ground & plenty of them are being beaten by less horse powered minis (& quite often mind you),,, That`s where the power curve or power delivery part & driver ability comes into the picture

Lets now add a traction control computer to our Turbo injected Bimmer twin cam conversion & suddenly we have bag fulls of grip--> "compared"

so,,, yes, it all costs money to have a blisteringly fast, smooth quiet yet drivable & reliable package under a mini bonnet.... & yes I`m afraid not all of us actually "WANT" that either

I do tho :-)

Cheers & i`m glad you brought it up, it`s given me a chance to explain a few of those "Niceties" of the Bimmer twinky conversion to the general public (all be it a little long winded--> Sorry) :-)

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Hmmm... so has anybody actually twisted a dyno with one of these BMW thingys yet, out here in the Antipodes? 8)

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Not as far as i know yet Doc,,, I only have the "Seat of the pants" dyno & the stop watch between bus stops measurement on mine so far & it has allready exceeded my 1510cc, 5 port figures allready & we havn`t fed it to 8000rpms yet & it`s just a low compression, naturally asspirated, std bimmer cams 1360

The 2nd Bimmer is in a Moke at the exhaust place right now having the turbo manifold made up & we have this Brand new "Thing" going onto it on monday--->

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With a brand new "Adaptronic" sequential computer wired in & a good few hours on the dyno i`m sure we will have some reasonable numbers for everyone to gork at pretty soon.

Fab in the states has recorded more than 200 ponys at the wheels so far & still hasn`t hit the magic 8000rpms tuning it yet, so there certainly is plenty avaliable from these things

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The 2nd Bimmer is in a Moke at the exhaust place right now having the turbo manifold made up & we have this Brand new "Thing" going onto it on monday--->
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Oooo, a rotary muffler. 8)


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Yeah , a bloody expensive rotary muffler, but hey... any muffler that actually adds power is a dam good one in my books :-)

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