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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:31 pm 
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Why is there a hole right where the important part of the prefix should be?



I have seen exactly this before....also on a supposed Cooper S :lol: What a coincidence!

It could be from leaking brake fluid, that has eaten away the plate and the metal behind it (remembering where these are fitted on MK 2 S's and Mini K's.....or it could be a good attempt at bodging a Mini K to be a Cooper S :lol:


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Why is there a hole right where the important part of the prefix should be?



Yup, mine has that too. It's right in front of the master cylinders and over the years water and brake fluid gets to it via a hole right behind it in that exact spot and corrodes it away. Luckily the data is also on the radiator shroud.

Happens very early on in the car's life time as I've seen it on a car that was only 15 years old at the time. Note the hole behind it:
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maybe it`s a Mini K Van plate??? & yeah, strange how the important bit of number is rotted away :-) :-) :-) tricky :-) :-) :-)

:-)

I have a genuine stock std late mini K here, late one with lift up door handles, one owner (solid/fact)

&&&&& it has all the boot braketry for "S" yes, it has, like it was maybe meant for the police but didn`t quite get there & was sold off as a Govt spec poverty pack with magic wand & dry suspension. with late heater & single speedo binical &&&&&& all sorts of miss-matched stuff that makes your eyes twirl

this car is a real "in-betweeny" but i`ve known many more like it, just that this one is absolute factory spec stock std sold as it sits here--- "FACT"

so, to anyone who thinks they`ve seen it all, well,,, i don`t but probly more than most & still all sorts of silly stoopid factory stuff shows up from time to time

like the day (back when they were brand new) we serviced a genuine factory stock std brand new "S" & the body numbers were all stamped on upside down :-) yep, again just another fact

ah well,,,there`s plenty more trivia out there if you`re keen to look & then when doing so, keep an open mind, but take it all with a grain of salt to boot :-)

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Mick wrote:
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Why is there a hole right where the important part of the prefix should be?



Yup, mine has that too. It's right in front of the master cylinders and over the years water and brake fluid gets to it via a hole right behind it in that exact spot and corrodes it away. Luckily the data is also on the radiator shroud.

Happens very early on in the car's life time as I've seen it on a car that was only 15 years old at the time. Note the hole behind it


well there you go. that's very interesting! cheers for that Mick!


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That shot of Mick's explains the hole fairly well. I guess brake fluid and water, etc, wash about on the bulkhead and through the hole onto the back of the plate, which is of course off to one side from the master cylinders.

Still looks like Mini K though.

Cheers,
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watto wrote:
But, 1100cc van is listed as YJBAV4 - surely if G means 1008-1399cc then it should be YGBAV4?


Watto, my van (now sold) had a chassis number YJBAV4R4896 and it definitely started life as a 1098cc Mini K van with centre speedo (no temp and oil pressure gauges) and the magic wand/remote hybrid shifter.

Who knows what BMC were up to? :?

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There you go.

So, perhaps the G only means big engine in the saloon.

Hmmmmmm.........

Watto. :shock:


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Hate to tell you but there is no way that plate is off a Mini K. 8)
It is most likely from a Cooper S.
It is not from a van, it is from a sedan.

The clue is in the numbers. :wink:


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BTW:

Ian Robertson's rough old white Cooper S with a red roof was an ex-NSW police car. Someone in VMCI has it now, but I dunno who. :?

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watto wrote:
Also,

Mini van-manual-Mk1 is listed as YJBAV2, auto van (did they make any?) is YJBAV3

But, 1100cc van is listed as YJBAV4 - surely if G means 1008-1399cc then it should be YGBAV4?

Either way, the compliance plate is not from a van.

The only prefix I can find with YG2 is for Mini K.

Nothing is ever simple with BMC.

Surely nobody would ever build a Cooper S out of a Mini K and try to pass it off as genuine?

Cheers,
Watto. :shock:

It did happen, there was a documented case on the MiniMania forum.
A giveaway was the serial number- way too big for a Cooper S.

BTW my MiniMatic is YA2S5, I have had 2 of emwith this prefix... 13secmini has the other.

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watto wrote:
Ah......here's some conflicting information (how unusual with Minis).

According to the NSW Mini Car Club's "The Mini 1275 Book" it lists body prefix for Mk2 Cooper S as YG2S4, as AJ stated. However, they also list the Mk1 as YG2S1 - which is not correct as YG2S1 is Mini K.

Most other sources of info I have found list Mk1 as YKG 2S1, and Mk2 as YKG 2S2.

"Morris Cooper S - The Original Story" (auther unknown as I only have a photo copy of it) lists either prefix for both cars. ie: YG or YKG.

The BMC manufacturing schedule that I have a copy of lists YKG only.

The list of various Australian Morris ID numbers I have also only lists YKG for Cooper S (2S2 for Mk1 and 2S4 for Mk2).

Given that YG2S1 is Mini K and YG2S3 is Mini K - is it likely that YG2S2 would have been used for Cooper S? I don't think so.

As Stephen Dalton wrote in the Qld Mini Owners Club newsletter, Mini Mag, in July 2003, when identifying a Mk1 Cooper S - "Y=Australia, K=Morris Cooper (series), G= 1008cc-1399cc engine, 2S=2 door sedan, 2=2nd series of the model (the 997/998 Morris Cooper being the first)"

So, if true, it means that any Cooper or Cooper S should have the prefix YK, and G for the 1275cc Cooper S, as the K does not just mean Morris, but means Morris Cooper. YKA2S1 is 997 or 998 Cooper.

So why is the Mk2 Cooper S 2S4 - the fourth in the series? Perhaps the changeover model, sometimes called the Mk1.5, and which has neither BMC ID plate, nore Australian compliance plate, was considered by the factorty as the third in the series, so the "proper" Mk2 was the fourth. That's just my theory, but I reckon it makes more sense than a Mk1 Cooper S being YG2S1 or a Mk2 Cooper S being YG2S4.

Check other prefixes and this makes sense - YMA2S1 - Morris 850, YMA2S4 - Mini Matic, YMG2S1 or YG2S1 - Mini K, depending on diff ratio.

This might all sound a bit pedantic, but it is important when it comes to identifying a genuine Cooper S, particularly when good examples are now pushing $30,000 or more.

So, I still believe the plate with YG2 as the prefix is not from a Cooper S.

Why is there a hole right where the important part of the prefix should be?

Cheers,
Watto. :shock:


Mk1 Cooper S is always YKG2S2 , Mk2 Cooper S is always YG2S4 ( have a look at pic of Micks Compliance Plate , which is correct) . The K in Mk1 denotes Morris Cooper as opposed to Austin Cooper , but as no Austin Cooper or S where proposed to be built in Aus after 1969 , the K was ommited from all Mk2 Compliance Plates . I have owned many Mk2 Cooper S over the years and all have had the YG2S4 prefix both on the Compliance Plate and stamped into the radiator shroud panel . Its a common mistake made by fakers to stamp YKG2S4 on Compliance Plate .

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For what it's worth, THIS is a (grotty) Mini K van compliance plate. . .with a hole in exactly the same place again!! :)
What IS intersting to note is that the van plate has the date, serial number, weight and seating capacity stamped from the front of the plate, whereas the 'S' plate I posted earlier (and Mick's 'S' plate) both have all the numbers stamped from the back.

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The other difference is the lack of ARD 20 on the van. . .what does this ADR apply to? Rear seating regulations or something?


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ADR 20 is Safety Rims

It did not come into effect until 7/70. So a car built earlier in 1970 would not show that ADR on the compliance plate.

ADR summary at:

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/rdsafe/VSI%2022.pdf

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OK.............I'm big enough to admit when I'm wrong. :oops:

Found a photo I took of the compliance plate on the seventh-last Cooper S made - built 3/71

It has YG2S4 as prefix.

It is the smaller rectangular chassis plate, mounted in the same place, but just below the hole. Maybe by then Leyland had found the problem with the plates and changed them. Just another theory.

So, I guess the plate first shown could be a Cooper S.

Typical of BMC/Leyland to have conflicting info in their files. This is one of the great problems in researching Minis, there is so much conflicting info.

I'd put the pic up, but I have neither the time or energy (or knowhow) to do it. Yes I know I simply have to host it on Photobucket or something and then place a link from my post......

Anyway, I'm off to Philip Island now for the 6-hour tomorrow.

Cheers,
Watto :shock:


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Must be your buy then Watto ........ :D

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