In QLD it is as clear as it can be. The pollution control equipment that was fitted to the new engine must be fitted to the car. So the charcoal canister has to remain if the donor car had one. Same with cat converters. If the engine had one, you must fit it. No letter from an engineer who mis-read the rules will get you off if the inspectors find it. Maybe no fine, but they'll tell you to fit it.

If fitting it is a problem get one of the Rover ones which fit inside the passenger front wheel arch. In Rovers these connect to the EFI manifold via a vacuum switching valve (solenoid) that is switched by the computer. It only sucks from the canister at certain times.

Charcoal canisters are not about engine emissions, they are about emissions of hydrocarbon vapours from the fuel system. They just make use of the engine to burn the vapours that come out of the fuel tank.

Hey Mark where do you find those sort of specific rulings (for QLD that is)?

Just stick it in under the front guard somewhere!

That way no one can complain.

Dan

So many lines to run to the boot!!!!!

JC,
The QLD department of transport publish the Qld code of practice for light vehicle modifications but you have to buy it. All the Authorised officers (blue plate guys) have a copy. The AO I got to do my last import car had it and I also read it thoroughly when I did my 4AGE into Australian AE86 conversion way back in '96. Also, I've got mates who've done 13B turbo into 1982 626 and 3L quad cam Alfa engine into 1985 GTV 2.0 conversions so we've all read up on the rules.

It's all changing very soon when Qld adopts the national code of practice for LVM as published for comment by DOTARS.

I know the bloke who wrote most of the engine swap part.

M

Mokesta, you may be right about the case in QLD but I argued the toss with my Engineer (John Wilson), who as feralsprint et al indicated is registered all over the place and has 25 years experience. He stated that the rules in the ACT allowed me to not run a cat because my car was manufactured before 1972 (as the doc indicated about advice to Brad), irrespective of whether they had one fitted as orginal.

Plus I ran it over the pits to get it registered and we all know that horror story and they could clearly view my exhaust from the turbo back and did not raise once the issue of the cat converter.

Also Miniboy recommend John Wilson pretty hands off and not particularly talkative but is straighforward and not pedantic. I recommend him and yes he can do NSW cars for sure.

Cheers

Matt

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225hp atw on 14psi. 1/4 Mile no idea. Take one 1971 Mini Clubman, one Starlet GT Halfcut, Simmer over a warm MIG Welder, and Voila Minstar! www.mpdesign.id.au

Hey Mark,

You are spot on with your interpretation there.

If it was on the car, or engine being swapped, it goes back on.

Hence the reason why I will be running two 4mm vacuum lines to the boot (where else??)

I am led to believe that QDT will adopt the National Code as at the end of this year - it will make things a lot simpler.

Cheers,
Tricky

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"Not Speeding Officer..........Qualifying"

HIJACK ALERT - but only a quick one.

Can I get this John Wilson to engineer my car and register it in Vic??

Miniboy PM me and will give you his details or look at the sticky on engineers I put his details in there. And as for the cat issue sorry guys I have definitive evidence that I legally do not have to run the cat. I quote from Information Bulletin No 3 - Road User Services (Vehicle Standards):

Note: Year of manufacture of my Mini 7/71.

The following relates specifically to emission control and engine swaps...

Evaporative Emissions:

"All vehicles built to comply with ADR 27A (July 1976) or later, must be fitted with an effective evaporative emission control system. A carbon cannister must be fitted, operation and connected to the fuel tank and induction systems"

QED I don't have to install the carbon cannister...

Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV)

All vehicles manufactured after 1 July 1970 must be fitted with an operative positive crankcase ventilation system.

QED I have to run PCV (which I assume the starlet does).

It then goes onto discuss different engien swaps according to ADR and the relation to date of manufacture eg ADR37 applies to cars manufactured after 1 Jan 1986

Vehicles manufactured on or after 1 Jan 1972 but prior to 1 April 1974 (ADR 26)

These cars can be fitted with pre-emissions or emission engines.

Alternative carburettors, camshafts or other engine modifications are permitted provided that the exhaust emissions do not exceed the specified levels.

Vehicles manufactured prior to 1 Jan 1972

"No emissions control requirements apart from PCV on post July 1970 vehicles"

QED - My Mini hence no cannister and no cat converter. Like I said all to do with date of manufacture that is only reason I don't have to carry any of this gear.


Cheers

Matt

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225hp atw on 14psi. 1/4 Mile no idea. Take one 1971 Mini Clubman, one Starlet GT Halfcut, Simmer over a warm MIG Welder, and Voila Minstar! www.mpdesign.id.au

Things have changed over here, bringing WA into line with the NCOP

i.e. if you fit a '96 motor, you must comply with 1996 emissions laws (unleaded fuel & filler neck, cat converter, pressurised fuel tank, etc)

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Too many cars, and too little time.

Yeah fair enough AWD, I don't know whether they have adopted the NCOP in the ACT. Also I would assume that application of the NCOP once it comes in to full force (anyone know the date) is not retrospective? What I mean is that requirements I have to satisfy are the ones that were in force when I registered my car?

Cheers

Matt

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225hp atw on 14psi. 1/4 Mile no idea. Take one 1971 Mini Clubman, one Starlet GT Halfcut, Simmer over a warm MIG Welder, and Voila Minstar! www.mpdesign.id.au

Mat

Ddon't worry mate your in the clear, the NCOP was supposed to come into force as of Jan 2006 but like most things that require the states to agree it has and probably will not be put into force as we all know how the states love to accept federal legislation

Jon

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Roundies and Clubbies(except vans) are both ugly that is why I have Midas and a van
1293 Mini Midas Bronze,1275 Clubman van

And no, it's not retrospective.

It's just I'm still not finished yet, so I have to roll with any changes

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Too many cars, and too little time.

No, unless he's in the engineers list on the VicRoads website.

However, if the car is engineered in NSW AND registered in NSW for a while, they will accept it for Vic rego.

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Brett Nicholson
Greendale (near Ballan) VIC.
1971 Morris Mini Moke
1966 Austin Mini
1965 Morris Mini Traveller
1973 LR Series 3 88
2007 LR Freelander 2

I think the consensus is that the rules differ from state to state. I have noticed that the rules here related to date of manufacture because this was the way the original application of ADR's was applied. I have a document from SA that indicates that they apply the rules exactly the same hence my huge post above which indicates that apart from running PCV all other emissions requirements don't apply, and this has been supported by my engineer, who reiterated this stance several times and wrote and signed a letter to that effect, and it all related to my car being manufactured 7/71. It is more than possible that other states have started adopting part or all of the NCOP hence the difference.

Cheers

Matt

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225hp atw on 14psi. 1/4 Mile no idea. Take one 1971 Mini Clubman, one Starlet GT Halfcut, Simmer over a warm MIG Welder, and Voila Minstar! www.mpdesign.id.au