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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:07 pm 
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Got to ask. How much better are 4 pots than standard 8.4" disc brakes?
Is the advantage due to bigger brake pad area , or less fade resistant, better pressure on the disc?
Can someone please explain this to me as I know they are better but don't know why. Would there be more improvement in say choosing a different brake pad than just 4 pot calipers.

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the 4 pot calipers on metro turbo's use a ventilated disc, this is what gives them the big advantage over the normal mini 7.5 and 8.4 inch brakes. When doing an engine conversion using a turbo motor you will need ventilated discs to pass rego.

Im not saying there the best brake setup to use for a mini but they are the best bang for buck out there, bolt right on with mini hubs. I have these fitted to my car and have raced it at the local track twice and have never had brake fade, some runs going for more then 15 laps.

If your got $500 to spend on a brake upgrade and got 12 inch wheels or bigger then get the metro turbos you will not need bigger brakes.

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With standard solid discs my moke got brake fade coming down Mt Glorious. The pedal went mushy, I had to use low gear to slow down and the brakes got hot enough to blue the rotors. Fluid was quite new and pads were stock.
Same hill, same driving style (hard), same type of brake fluid but vented brakes with EBC Green pads = no fade at all.
So the difference I noticed was HUGE. The venting gives the brakes far better heat rejection, the increased rotor mass gives greater initial temp rise resitance and the pads are better too.
Slotted rotors would make them even better
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their are three things that I can tink of that improve braking efficency
braking efficfency is what you are going for. Suspension aside.

surface area (needed to apply pressure)
appliable pressure (this includes caliper rigidity)
heat (thermal load) (or how well the system get's rid of it)

in my opinion pads and rotors can make a great difference that people don't often think of (change to a better pad?)

the reason the metro's are vented, is because they need to be more surface area, more pressure, more heat. venting, cross drilling and slotted disks overcome this. a road/race application you shouldn't need more than straight vented rotors.

solid disks don't cut it for late, fast and consistent braking. they get hot and friction co-efficent gone.

their's a reason why people bothered to make the metro's work on mini's. because their better than 8.4 twin pistons, wich in my opinion are better than 7.2's (sorry guy's who want to keep 10' rims, but their better than drums!! :) )
yes I have heard people say that they put your suspension out. but if you really want the best from your mini. you should have an fully adjustable suspension setup. Then you can compensate for a small change like 250grams in unsprung weight? and that 250grams increases the set-up's initial heat load?

just keep in mind if you want to brake in half the time the pressure in't doubled, IT'S SQUARED, and that goes for everything on your braking system. this is why a really good set of brakes will seem to cost the earth

some of the stuff that KAD make is amazing. 6 piston calipers in fully machimed alloy. But alas A have not been able to sell my soul on the ausmini classifieds for a set. Apparently I am not worth enough.

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The swept area between 8.4 versus vented is neglible (less than 5% increase). The performance comes from the pressure applied and the eveness of that application and the fact that (as stated earlier), vented discs take longer to heat up and dissapate heat better than solid discs. As for cross drilling, this is theoretically to increase the level of heat disappation, and the groving is designed to sweep the pads to maintain an abrasive face to the pads (remove glazing). It would be interesting to know whether there is an increase in the pressure applied to 4pots versus the twin pots (non booster).

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:19 pm 
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if anybodys interested have a couple of sets that need recoing so would like to clear @$485 a set
regards josh


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 Post subject: Re: re 4 spots
PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:53 pm 
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miniimports wrote:
if anybodys interested have a couple of sets that need recoing so would like to clear @$485 a set
regards josh


What sets do you have? The vented? or?

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