Colapsable steering column is not much of a problem as the late Australian Clubbies had them. The column does not collapse, it tilts up and away frm the driver in an accident. You need the late pedal box to mount it.

Trust me, the 1961 Morris 850 steering column does exactly the same thing. And back then, it was advertised as such.
I had a real good look at the 850's one we were in that hit the tree, after I got out of hospital 5 months later...

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Mate sometimes, you just don't think before you type do you.....
Laws are written with the advice of industry experts, so you are conveinently forgetting is these people know more about saftey and emmissions standards that you and I will both know. To be so narrow minded to think that you know more than these people shows your arrogance. Yes mini's are unsafe, we all know that. Yet you still don't see the point in some fairly minor upgrades to braking and emssions for an engine conversion? Are you mad or just like to argue? Have a nice life mate

Aaron

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You two, take it elsewhere.

Some of us only visit the engine conversion section so we can avoid the politics and arguements that occurs elsewhere.

Back on topic.

AMEN to dat

Its not that i want to break the emission laws Its just not worth using the standard ECU over an aftermarket one...

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You'll just have to bear with it - at least until you have it registered

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Too many cars, and too little time.

you can use a piggyback ecu or some interceptor types.

and have inferior performance (and emissions) to a fully programmable ECU?

Rules suck sometimes......easier to have a blanket rule than to say "yes you can fit it, but it has to be tuned so that it meets emission standards"

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1998 Toyota starlet.....161.1hp atw

OK a few engineering realities from a professional engineer

the engineer that gordo is consulting has a duty of care to advise him of what is necessary for him to meet the laws. that is what gordo pays him for. if he did not advise gordo that an aftermarket ecu required a full emissions test to ensure that it meets CURRENT ADRs (not those of the year of the engine, read the rules guys) or that he considers a collapsible steering column necessary for safety, then if gordo was defected or refused registration or insurance, then the engineer could be found liable if gordo sued. he is just doing what he is paid to do.

gordo that bracing is called a gusset. yes you need one, as you already said. a bit of triangular plate welded appropriately should do the trick.

a 1300cc engine is only a 25cc increase over the standard, but gordo is planning to turbocharge it (yeah!), so that is a significant increase in deemed capacity using the turbocharger multiplication factor. this means a lot of other things need to be considered. gordo is paying the consulting engineer to make sure that he has not missed anything.

that is a good point to make as well. the certifying engineer is NOT paid to design the modifications, although you could if you wanted to. they are paid to REVIEW YOUR design. so if it is crap then they will not signoff on it, simple.

SO gordo, do a bit of research on clubbie and rover columns and present to the engineer a considered argument, and it is probably not as bad as you think. I am not so sure that i read the rules the same way. as far as i can tell only the emmissions ADRs you have to meet are determined by the year of the motor (including its FACTORY ecu) not the rest of the ADRs.

also remember that most of the certifying engineers who do the modifications to cars like this are also enthusiasts who want to see well engineered vehicles on the streets.

AND this is such a big thing that at the summernats they have a BEST ENGINEERED award. that award is NOT based on the amount of BLING you have, but the amount of brainpower used. I would love to see a well engineered mini win that award. it IS possible - go to it guys

michael

ps - no i am not a certyfing automotive engineer, but aeronautical qualified working as a systems engineer

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Can't argue with your logic Mickmini, though is it fair to say that if you don't change the ECU the emissions are based on the year of the car. The reason I ask is because my engineer has signed a piece of paper (on his company letterhead) directing that I don't need a cat because the car (not engine) is 1971. He said they recently changed the requiremens down here in the ACT.

Also while were on engineering why does a pod filter have to be in an airbox (I have never understood this one). If it is noise pollution from the air intake surely it can't be louder than the rest engine?

Cheers

Matt

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quote="aaron" Mate sometimes, you just don't think before you type do you.....Ergh...how would you know

Laws are written with the advice of industry experts, so you are conveinently forgetting is these people know more about safety and emmissions standards that you and I will both know. Yes and some times they get it horribly wrong, the lemons they brought out around 1976 trying meet unrealistic pollution standards resulted in a swag of work for the engine builders and countless thousands of overheated lean burning engines. As for columns....look where the Mini rack is located....you are already in a world of hurt if the column is being driven back, but because of its height off the ground it will probably tend to travel up more than back...as opposed to a lot of front engined cars where the column lays down into the engine bay

To be so narrow minded to think that you know more than these people shows your arrogance. your assertion mate ...cheap shot at that

Yes mini's are unsafe, we all know that....do we I would have thought Minis legendary handling and small size is a big safety bonus for primarily avoiding stacks

Yet you still don't see the point in some fairly minor upgrades to braking and emssions for an engine conversion? maybe its because I have my eyes open and put the situation into context by looking around at the aging vehicle population in Australia and see that new cars might be green but there are a plenty of old agricultural engines out there chuffing away. I would never compromise or advocate a half-arsed solution to braking ever

Are you mad or just like to argue? don't think I'm mad nor argumentative...I have obviously struck a raw nerve with you tho...

Have a nice life mate Thanks and the same to you :D Mick

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my reply is.......

not going to go on about it, let this get back to topic

Aaron

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speaking of engineers...anyone know a good one up brissy way? i need to look at the feasibility of a flipfront...and the whole conversion thing...wanna see what i have to look out for...

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