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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:44 am 
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I'm looking for some photo's of the inside door panel with the door card removed showing the original factory tape sealing the service area's for the window winder - door handle etc on Australian min's.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:22 am 
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I'm not sure how much detail you are after but I can describe the original seals from memory, as the doors on my cars have been long since lost their originals.
Each cut-out on the door panel had its own cut-to-size seal that was a self-adhesive black vinyl sheeting, similar to the "Contact" brand material you would cover books with, or line kitchen cupboards, etc.
The patches over the door handle and window-winding shafts had a small "X" cut into them to let the shafts through. There was even a suitably sized one over the small circular hole behind the door pocket that allows access to the lower door hinge nut.
The original adhesive was quite tough but didn't stick very well if you tried to reuse it.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:38 am 
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I was just thinking about this the other day, does anyone have any good recommendations for product to use to replace these patches?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:00 am 
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My recollection is the original shielding for the windup door windows holes was a cream coloured very wide masking tape paper like material only sticky on one side and it was not reuseable unless it was very new.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:08 am 
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The doors on my 1970 MK II S had the original tape fitted so I was able to examine it closely and replicate. It is black paper adhesive tape manufactured by JVCC and I believe used in the photographic industry.

Here's a few pics of my doors.

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This is the roll of tape I purchased. I couldn't find it locally so had to import from the USA via Amazon.

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I see it's available on eBay USA. Ends up being quite expensive for a single roll, especially when it's hidden once fitted and the door cards are installed. A roll will do many doors though so could be shared around.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192661420594

This is the factory taping instruction for the Clubman Leyland Mini doors.

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HYB8181 Sealing and Sound Deadening YDO21_22 Sheet 2.jpg


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:14 am 
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I see there's a similar photographic masking tape in a narrower width that's available locally. Shouldn't be an issue to join strips to make it wider.

https://tapesonline.com.au/products/bla ... a18b&_ss=r

The JVCC brand is also available locally in narrower widths.

https://www.desertcart.com.au/products/75023804

Another Australian supplier of similar tape.

https://secure.johnbarry.com.au/shurtap ... o-p743-230

... and a smaller less expensive roll.

https://secure.johnbarry.com.au/photogr ... 743bl48-25

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:39 pm 
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I have this from a service bulletin I found somewhere on the net a while back.
Message me with your email address if you want the whole file.

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Cheers, Paul.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:44 pm 
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Here ya go - https://www.carbuilders.com.au/door-restore-kit


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:34 pm 
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A couple from my car 3/70 Mk2 S . Most of it came off in whole pieces - amazing for 52 year old paper tape. On a side note, look at the poor colour match when they repainted the car.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:20 pm 
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I'd like to say thank you to every one who has posted a reply and also supplied photo's of the tape used to seal the inner service area's on the Australian mini doors.

The information that has come forward is incredible and would it be a good idea to have it placed in the 'How to section' of the forum?

I have done some research today and found a company in NZ called Danco who make tapes. They maybe able to cut the tape to the correct width.

Would the tape be more like a cloth tape or a Poly - PVC type tape?

Interesting to read winabbey's drawing attachment and in some area's two and three lots of tape are used to cover the area.
You can see that in some of ausdino's door photo's - the tape being 4 inches wide?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:42 pm 
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Seriously? It’s only purpose is to stop moisture warping the door cards, no one will ever see it, even at a concourse the judge won’t ask you to remove the door cards to check that the sealing tape is correct. On modern cars they use clear plastic and windscreen style caulking compound (that will not harden, not silicone sealant that goes off) around the edges and each hole in the panel, to ensure a water tight seal. It’s simple, effective, invisible and can be pealed back and Re stuck down if needed.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:49 pm 
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jaybee wrote:
Seriously? It’s only purpose is to stop moisture warping the door cards, no one will ever see it, even at a concourse the judge won’t ask you to remove the door cards to check that the sealing tape is correct. On modern cars they use clear plastic and windscreen style caulking compound (that will not harden, not silicone sealant that goes off) around the edges and each hole in the panel, to ensure a water tight seal. It’s simple, effective, invisible and can be pealed back and Re stuck down if needed.

Yes, you are right. There are lots of places inside the suspension, transmission and engine, and elsewhere, that can't be seen, so "original" parts would not be noticed.

In my case, I'm trying to keep the car as original as possible since it came to me that way. I needed to source an aperture covering after working on the doors and chose to buy as close to original. It worked on my car for fifty years so seems to suit the purpose. I'd like a future owner to remove the door cards one day and say, wow, original tape. What isn't original on this car?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:01 am 
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jaybee wrote:
Seriously? It’s only purpose is to stop moisture warping the door cards.

Actually the purpose of the tape is to stop dirt getting into the door cavity and affecting the locking mechanism. ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:04 am 
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winabbey wrote:
jaybee wrote:
Seriously? It’s only purpose is to stop moisture warping the door cards, no one will ever see it, even at a concourse the judge won’t ask you to remove the door cards to check that the sealing tape is correct. On modern cars they use clear plastic and windscreen style caulking compound (that will not harden, not silicone sealant that goes off) around the edges and each hole in the panel, to ensure a water tight seal. It’s simple, effective, invisible and can be pealed back and Re stuck down if needed.

Yes, you are right. There are lots of places inside the suspension, transmission and engine, and elsewhere, that can't be seen, so "original" parts would not be noticed.

In my case, I'm trying to keep the car as original as possible since it came to me that way. I needed to source an aperture covering after working on the doors and chose to buy as close to original. It worked on my car for fifty years so seems to suit the purpose. I'd like a future owner to remove the door cards one day and say, wow, original tape. What isn't original on this car?


That’s fair enough and I meant no offence. So I am sorry if I did offend.
I only meant that over the 50 years or so being around and being maintained, so much is no longer original on most cars. I tend to think that if it’s not on show, then if a modern and better substitute exists it is what I would go with.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:11 am 
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winabbey wrote:
jaybee wrote:
Seriously? It’s only purpose is to stop moisture warping the door cards.

Actually the purpose of the tape is to stop dirt getting into the door cavity and affecting the locking mechanism. ;)

We will have to disagree there. The only way dirt will get in is down the window frame, which is the same side as the locks, so any tape or film on the other side of the inner door skin will not stop that. They are blocked off to prevent moisture ingress and humidity from that damaging the cardboard door cards.


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