Searching through some of my stuff the other day and I found a NOS clutch and I thought you beauty, until I found this





I have also had some NOS brake shoes for a while and they are the same



I also accumulated some NOS brake linings, although no warning on them, I suspect they would be the same






I'm not keen on using any of the above. I think i will be disposing of them. I have been told its even illegal to fit to a car.

I thought people might be interested as we often hear about asbestos in clutches and brake pads on cars and being of the younger generation I havnt really seen this, so seeing this this now proves it

Cheers

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I guess it's one occasion where hoarding NOS parts doesn't pay off.

I have a set of NOS Cooper brake pads with the same material.

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ex-NSW Police 1970 MK II Cooper S
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Australia's motor industry used asbestos parts for decades...whilst I am not saying its safe, you would think over time that the industry might have done something about it, if it was that dangerous...enclosed in a brake drum or a clutch housing its probably OK to use...just do not breath in the dust...

However, it is now outlawed and illegal...

[mining it, using it in enclosed spaces like ships engine rooms or in TELSTRA pits is another matter altogether]

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"Show me the Mini!"

It’s a problem that’s been around for years. Head gaskets and manifold gaskets all contained asbestos in the old days. People blow out the brakes or use a spinner wheel to remove old gaskets and all the while they are breathing in a dangerous cocktail.
The brakes are a particularly nasty mix because it has been burnt and it usually has a higher percentage of asbestos for better brake efficiency.
I guess that we can be grateful that minis don’t have a dual skinned firewall with asbestos in between like some US cars. And all the headaches that they’re causing
Neil

Not in a very long time. It remained in legacy ships for a very long time, but the vast majority were withdrawn in the late 90s and minority beyond that in the late 2000s. Even by then it was down to the odd gasket between two pipes, and brown at that.


Asbestos linings in brakes and clutches are crap technology anyway. Fade-o-rama city. Industry railed against the change at the time because industry always does (its invested in it you know). Carbon Kevlar and equivelents are awesomly better. Brakes are heaps better for their good riddance.

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Have also heard that underfelt also may have had asbestos fibres in older cars

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1970 Cooper S SPO41

I can't speak for all minis, but I had the hessian on the floor and behind the dash tested and they didn't contain asbestos. It's cheap to get done if you want to check your own car

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But of Course...however, not in the context of this discussion...we were discussing NOS OEM parts from the 1960s-70s

[PS Brake fade can occur today, especially with inferior materials foisted on us as "replacements" for those filthy and dangerous asbestos items...below (of course), Carbon Kevlar and equivalents and Ceramics assuming your rotors are up to the scavenging the heat and have been adequately hardened etc etc ad nauseum]...

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"Show me the Mini!"

When I was playing with race cars it was at the time that asbestos was king but after a while it was being removed and they were coming up with compromises and they were real compromises. Some of those involved buying pads from countries that hadn't stopped production of asbestos pads.
But then we started to get off the shelf road pads that were way better than the specialist race pads of year gone by.

If someone offered me a set of new old stock DS11 pads I would laugh at them. The modern stuff is so much better.
You don't need to bed them by cooking the gas out of them like the old days. I miss driving around in the middle of the night burning the brakes till they worked properly.

DS11 Left foot on the brake pedal for the warm up lap evan after they were bedded in

I have a friend who deals in antique car parts. He has a good selection of head gaskets for old models back to 1905. All have asbestos inside. Probably illegal now.
Bin them? No chance, they are last in captivity.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

Hi Ken, here's one you may be able to confirm or put to bed...an old Mini racer told me that at Bathurst, they would swap pads from one side to the other to extend life...TRUE?/FALSE?
Cheers, Mick

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"Show me the Mini!"

I'll say False. Surely braking would be done evenly on each side?

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The bitterness of poor quality (or Crappy Workmanship) remains LONG AFTER the Sweet Taste of Low Price is forgotten.

i have an original Dealership repair manual, and in the body section, it says make sure you use plenty of asbestos when filling panels ..... so it must be good stuff

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Oh it's a great product! It just can't be trusted to stay put.

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SooperDooperMiniCooperExpertEngineering

All garage work involves equal measures of enthusiasm, ingenuity and a fair degree of irresponsibility.