You obviously havnt driven a GTHO Phase III. Absolute pig and would be a horrible everyday car.

People are paying for the fact that they are rare - individual.

People build these things becuase they can - just to see how far they can go.

This is probably not the right forum to be talking about noise or practicality

before everyone misses the point I was trying to make.

People doing this as a hobby get scared away from the red-tape due to it's rules and regulations.

realistically I was trying to put it in perspective that a RWD rotary mini was a far reach when it's easier (much easier) other ways with equally unique cars

I would love to see unique minis on Australia's roads but it's too much effort complying with kit car ADR's and emmisions controls etc. etc. blah blah.

The most point of an engine conversion is reliable power. The reliabilty of a toyota, honda or nissan motors outweigh a a-series hands down.

we don't all want a pig to drive, some of us just want a bit move value than an a series

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-doing a Degree in Mechanical Engineering,
and a few conversions:
13B Extend in a 1600
4EFTE in a mini ute (all slowly)

[quote="HPDesign]The most point of an engine conversion is reliable power. The reliabilty of a toyota, honda or nissan motors outweigh a a-series hands down.[/quote]

again I beg to differ. when the converted cars have done as many miles as the a - series cars I think we will be able to determine that they are as reliable.

Less time intensive - yes - long term reliable - tba.

I see no reason why an a-series could be made to close in reliabilty with the Jap motors. As powerful - no . As reliable maybe - longevity my money is an the a-series.

I think people pushing the envelope - without worrying about practicality, reliabilty - will result in a process, method or technique that will help all of us. If somebody wants to build a rwd HOnda powered mini and go to the hassle and pain of getting it on the road - more power to them - it makes this little mini world just a bit more interesting.

Nicely put.......

HP - its simply a case of "is the glass half empty or half full" Neither of us is right or wrong, we jst beg to differ. Mind you, I do respect your opinion however.

It should the duty of those of us who have done some pioneering, to spread the knowledge and share the collective intellect that we have gained to help others in any way possible.

Cheers,
Tricky

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"Not Speeding Officer..........Qualifying"

Look again..... its a Mk3 72 roundie


And here is a link to a similar topic (visit the link in the first post for pictures)

http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=311&highlight=rotary

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[NATHAN] -- Sold everything mini related and am back in big beautiful BMWs

I appreciate your efforts fella's and by no means an I trying to prove you wrong. I would love to see original mini's out there and a RWD Honda would be cool as would a rotary mini.

Obviously their are many factors to weigh up when doing any conversion.

I have made my choices and the current ADR'S Scare me for a mini, and emissions testing is really expensive in ACT. The same problems I ran into might not be so bad in other area's though

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-doing a Degree in Mechanical Engineering,
and a few conversions:
13B Extend in a 1600
4EFTE in a mini ute (all slowly)

I wouldn't have cared if it was a clubman anyway, still looks better than that abortion of a front-end...

and nothing unreliable about A series motors.... it's just up to the one who puts it together and the one who maintains it - my 1st motor is still going strong after 6 years or so. I'm doing a conversion just for the hell of it

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did I tell you that I won a trophy?

Bloke with all due respect Toyota engines and modern jap engine in general are renowned for their reliability and longevity. I think it you took the majority of A series engines from new and their japanese engine counterparts (especially if they received any kind of flogging or had any modifications done to them) the same way the A series engine would require a major overhaul well before the japanese engine. As with anything their are exceptions to the rule but I rarely hear of A series engine completing several hundred thousand kms without a rebuild as I do with alot of japanese engines. Eg. my brothers Camry with 320,000 and never opened up and doesn't use a drop. I know you will argue with me but if you read the accounts of others on here and one of their primary reasons for going the jap route is reliability and I dare say indirectly longevity between rebuilds.

As for HP's statements about conversions, I think he is merely saying that while anything is possible, and more possible for those of us with the funds laying about, producing a car that while being a marvel of technical excellence, can't be registered, which for me is an imporant point as I really can't spend $000's building something I can't use on a daily basis. I don't think it has a lot to do with being "glass half empty or full".

Cheers

Matt

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225hp atw on 14psi. 1/4 Mile no idea. Take one 1971 Mini Clubman, one Starlet GT Halfcut, Simmer over a warm MIG Welder, and Voila Minstar! www.mpdesign.id.au

Welcome back Matt!!

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"Not Speeding Officer..........Qualifying"

Me nar never

I agree that a Honda whatever and a Toyota dovawhatsee will see millions of kms. But when they are dead they are dead. My point is that people and can rebuild an A-series. Will they rebore and rebuild a Civic engine or a Starlet engine when its finally got sick? Which will see more years - an a series or a VTEC? My money is on the A-series to outlive us all, even if has very few of its original components and has "failed to proceed" serveral times.

I was staying out of this one....
Many engines now are not really rebuildable, they use what I would call Briggs & Stratton lawnmower technology.
Alloy hi-silicon block, chromed piston and rings. When done, you throw it away, recycle.
Examples? I've heard Audi V6, some late Toyota V6, etc.
Design life 250,000Km. But you might get lucky.

I may be old, and old fashioned, but I like iron blocks, or alloy ones with iron liners thanks.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

How would you rebuild/rebore a Nikasil lined block anyway?

using a material that was stronger this is usually achieved with a very dense material, maybe some of YOUR posts.

would I be going too far to say possibly you, you could also then use your sheepies to polish to a perfect shine

SNAP!!! He He Had to

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-doing a Degree in Mechanical Engineering,
and a few conversions:
13B Extend in a 1600
4EFTE in a mini ute (all slowly)

Dont you love it when people run out of reasonable arguments - look another sheep joke - clever

and you by the way how would you rebuild/rebore a Nikasil lined block?

Well you could take it to a good toolroom, pay $$$$ for them to wire cut the bores out bigger. Then bung some proper iron liners in it...
Maybe.
If that don't work, buy a round sheet of thick glass, voila! you have a coffee table with history.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.