*sigh* some people are still of the opinion that disks will somehow magically stop you faster than a properly set up twin leading shoe set up (I realise single was mentioned above).
Are disks 'better'? Hell yes, no adjusting and less fade. But are there advantages in every day traffic (other than adjusting with takes 2mins every hundered k's)? I would say no......

coz you've got drums..



i disagree... living in the hills and driving down to the city, the down hill portion will get your drums warmed up and then once you hit the spot start traffic, discs show their value..

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Actually I've two cars - one on drums and one on metro vented

yeah but you live in NZ... which we all know doesn't have any hills, so you dont' really need them...

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Geez I have to get some in-car video going.....

if drums were better they would be used on newer cars. Yes disks are better because of no adjusting and less fade. the problem is that when something happens and your brakes are warm on drums YOU HIT IT

and who want's to adjust their brakes every 1/2 tank of juice. No-one.

I just am afraid that someone will feel spirited one day and end up under a truck. Horrible loss of life, horrible loss of Mini. Family's and loved ones left to mourn for the rest of their lives. Please be realistic with your brakes their the only thing other than concentration that will save your life.

ALL MINI OWNERS THINK ABOUT YOUR BRAKES. Their soo important and overlooked as being too expecive. but theirs cars out their with infinatley better brakes nowerdays that we drive with and behind everyday

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and a few conversions:
13B Extend in a 1600
4EFTE in a mini ute (all slowly)

This is still implying that disks will stop you faster than drums...they quite simply will not! I can lock the front wheels on my drums, so the only thing that will allow me to stop faster is more grip, or less weight. End of story.

other way round.... come on.. get your priorities straight..

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CUSH: sorry your right the mini always comes first just ask the wife



Quiet you, you are giving the New Zealand brothers a bad name. Who ever told you that braking quickly

--you have it right. end of story----

If you lock the brakes surley they aren't doing what they are designed to do I.E. stop the car. i understand that you have exceeded your limit of traction but enyone should be able to do that on dodgey rubber.

what actually started this was on about single leading edge drums and how they keep up with modern cars. Or should I say how they don't.

I know alot has improved since Issigonis's days in Cars, but Mini owners need to look at their brakes and maybe invest in upgrades because if we don't the result's might not be desirable

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and a few conversions:
13B Extend in a 1600
4EFTE in a mini ute (all slowly)

Hey I piss the NZ'ers off why should you guys be exempt

But you're are right, we did start on single shoe jobbies, the drum/disk thing is just a pet hate of mine.

I do find myself driving with far more concentration when in the mini rather than the astra.

I'm not sure if that's because of the whole brake issue, or because I don't care if I smash the Astra

shhhh....wifies listening......

I appreciate that some poeple prefer drums. if you want to keep your drums maintain them maticulacly and frequently. they need a lot of maintanance.

if you don't want to maintain them, drive hard or push your mini along get disks. Theirs no other way I can put it. otherwise you'll get outbraked by everything on the road, and are a disaster waiting to happen.

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-doing a Degree in Mechanical Engineering,
and a few conversions:
13B Extend in a 1600
4EFTE in a mini ute (all slowly)

Ahemmm , guy's , back in your boxes ......
Now , how about my earlier question , will a 940 head fit onto an 850 block with the block pocketted to take the valves , I seem to remember something about an oilway being different but not sure . I do realise the head would need considerable shaving to get the compression back up amongst other things but I already have a massively shaved ex speedway head to start with .

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Yes it will go on block OK, but watch the waterways in the front of the block, how they match poorly with a 1275 gasket.
KC suggests using the copper 1275 gasket as its water holes are smaller than the BK450.

No oilway probs I know of, but you MUST use a 1275 head gasket.

<edit) On my 1098 block, I had problems with the underside of 940 head fouling on the top of water pump- file the pump casting to clear if needed.
Mind you, block had been decked .140" for Imp pistons... so head may well clear yours.

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Thank's Kev , sort of apet project using left over bits if you know what I mean , curious to see what I can get out of a majorly lightened etc 850 and figured with a 12G940 head suitably ported I would be able to get as much air/fuel in and out as the motor could handle ....

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