I also measured up a nissan SR20 out of a GTIR - it'd fit in a clubbie, but I think you'd have to move the turbo cos it's about 62cm wide (front to back in the engine bay)

the toyota tercel is a longitudinal setup like a subaru, or at least the early ones are, the 4wd corolla wagons are east-west, but the motor is pretty long (side to side in the engine bay), and doesn't have that much potential - though maybe you could put a 4age on the box

I'm in love with the honda setup, on the standard carb motor, they actually put a heap of restrictors in the air filter to limit the power it was making (not just for the awd model), so it wasn't as quick as the sport model, changing the air filters apparently gives a huge power gain, ought to be a rocket with my 2 36mm webers - the standard carbs won't fit without firewall mods

ignore this bit.... I skipped over the toyota discussions

I've been hanging around the corolla forums for a couple of years now, and for this application, I think a 4agze would be a better choice than the 20v, as you apparently have to rev the bejezus out of the 20v to make any power, and they lack the torque of the supercharged engine, so it would find it harder to overcome the extra drivetrain losses i would think.

what about the suzuki alto works RSR, or similar 4wd turbo kei cars? i'd imagine they'd be a much easier conversion than say an SR20 from a GTIR......

they wouldnt have as high output, but compared to a 998 or whatever it'd be replacing, it'd still be an animal

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1962 Morris 850.....with a 1310

1998 Toyota starlet.....161.1hp atw

that was my original plan, back in 1997 when I first had the idea it of an AWD was when I saw a Subaru Rex (little Kei class, not WRX) supercharged AWD in Japan, but when I found out it was 2 cylinder 550cc and not that crash hot I turned off it....

When I was starting the project, I was tossing up between the honda and the Suzuki alto works, but the honda was easier to get hold of and I reckon will be better in the long run. I found a bloke in Brisbane who could supply the suzuki parts for a conversion, or a whole honda in Sydney for the same price.... I also like the idea that it was available in Australia, so repco etc. has everything in their parts books when I need stuff.

Hi skssgn,

You are dead right.

The donor of choice would be the Toyota setup because of the interchangeable engines etc, however they are quite rare to be seen. The Honda setup on the other hand is easier to source and has a few interchangeable parts to boot (CRX parts and DOHC heads etc). The Suzuki Alto according to JC is like rocking horse kaka so thats put them out.

My intention is to scour the Jap wreckers for a Honda Civic shuttle if I cant find a wrecked/imported AE95 Toyota. I still dont know anyone who has imported a EP85 as a cut ot whole car.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Excellent Andrew - just don't get yours finished before mine

the AWD Corolla motor I looked at (I *think* it's a 4AFE, likely to be mistaken tho) was at the wreckers/importers in Wodonga, so they are about, it's probably still there (sitting next to the SR20 that no-one wanted to buy, the diff for which is sitting under a tree in the back of their yard in it's subframe complete with back brakes, $2500 for the whole lot)...

I found my honda through partslocator.com.au (bastards want a subscription fee now, was free when I used it - damn people trying to stay in business). The awd honda was only sold in Australia in 1988/1989 as a Honda Civic Wagon AWD, no mention of Shuttle, that was a USA/Europe variant. After 1990, honda dropped the wagon variant. The local honda dealer told me that there were only 400 civics sold in 1988/1989, across the whole country, so the percentage of them that were the AWD wagon must be very low...

here's the redbook link for the one I bought, there's a mistake in it, it was twin carb, not single, but it IS a 6 speed manual

http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/ve ... y=HOND89AG

It's the cultus that I was saying is hard to get. Though I imagine the Alto Works RSR may be equally challenging.....

I've seen a few alto works driving around.....all 15year imports i would think.

There is at least one EP85 getting around....someone in the starlet club found it in a wrecking yard in sydney....all it needed was a front bar and headlight.....they bought it with the intention of doing it up, 4efte etc, but decided to get out of starlets not long after, and sold it for about $2000....(it was at one stage registered in NSW) That was about a year ago though and i havent heard of it since.

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1962 Morris 850.....with a 1310

1998 Toyota starlet.....161.1hp atw

same as my honda...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Honda-Civic-RT4W ... dZViewItem

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did I tell you that I won a trophy?

The Tercel wagon that was sold here ine the early 80's was 4WD, not AWD. My dad had one of these from 1986-96 and I learnt to drive in it. It had a north-south mounted 3A-C engine driving the front wheels. A dog clutch engaged the rear diff. In 4WD you had an "EL" Extra Low gear available in lieu of a low range transfer case. A 4AGE should bolt straight up to this gearbox. But give the north-south mounting, there is NO WAY the drivetrain would fit into a Mini without serious firewall mods or a front end stretch.

The AE95 Corolla AWD has the 4AFE engine. The 20V and 4AGZE variants do fit this gearbox. But while the motor is quite compact, the gearboxes on these babies are huge. Much bigger than a Starlet unit. I doubt anyone could shrink-wrap one into a Mini.

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Brett Nicholson
Greendale (near Ballan) VIC.
1971 Morris Mini Moke
1966 Austin Mini
1965 Morris Mini Traveller
1973 LR Series 3 88
2007 LR Freelander 2

i've long-since given up on this idea...too much trouble...fwd for my mini i'm afraid...unless i can find an ep85/ep95 box and transfer case

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"wait till it grows into a plant...then bunny rabbit THE PLANT!"

1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE

I concur. I went to a wrecker and measured one up. The gearbox is about the same size as the gt unit, i reckon the front diff could be made to fit (under the steering rack) but it has some great big vacuum type thing attached to it. I suggest this thing engages the 4wd. If you were to permanently engage the 4wd you may be able to do away with it.

skssgn - What are the go fast option available to your thing? Are you able to fit a VTEC head and fooool injection?

JC

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But he's thriving and striving and hugging the turns.

Could you use the limited slip center differential of another make or an after market item
Perhaps able to be anywhere along the front to rear drive shaft?

I haven't looked very much at what other makes center diff look like or where they go so am shooting blind but...

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A Deluxe(CG13DE), 2 Clubbies(998 and 1275) and 2 Morris 1100Ss

I reckon the box I saw could be made to work. The vacuum thing could be rectified relatively easily, we decided not to proceed as once you sort the front out you're still left with the damn ugly solid axle rear-end!

JC

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But he's thriving and striving and hugging the turns.

could you not adapt the rear diff from a different car? as long as the ratio is close to the donor car (with the solid rear axle) wouldnt it be ok?

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Bling me up Scotty!
"wait till it grows into a plant...then bunny rabbit THE PLANT!"

1966 Morris Mini DeLuxe FOR SALE