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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:32 am 
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What shocks are you running Kazjim? Hydro and you don't have to buy them :P Yes I know Kev has them on the front though :wink:

Shocks are expensive :cry:

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What shocks are you running Kazjim? Hydro and you don't have to buy them :P Yes I know Kev has them on the front though :wink:

Shocks are expensive :cry:


looks as though you can get a full set of spax with conversion kit for around $1400...or $999 on ebay at the moment...the guy who is selling there said he always has them in stock but the rrp is $1325...doesnt seem like HEAPS of money to me...could do an upgrade like that every couple of months...

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inazuma_x wrote:
[...doesnt seem like HEAPS of money to me...could do an upgrade like that every couple of months...


I couldn't :(

competition Bump stops for Hydro mini are ~$40 a pair. I haven't put shocks on the front and I don't know what is recomended but either way if shocks all round cost ~$1000 that's $500 you've saved even if you go the best which may or may not neccisary as there is going to be quite a bit of damping thought the hydro system.

Mind you this mini isn't registered yet and I haven't been able to compare handling with my rubber cone mini so I going off other peoples experience.

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Shocks are expensive :cry:

Maybe I'm just a cheap skate :oops: :D

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fuzzy...you're not being cheap....I'm really hoping inazuma was being sarcastic!

Shocks on the front do not need to be adjustable, or the best on the market. Just a bog standard damper to limit the pitching a little. The rear hydro bumps are what make a huge difference. I haven't tried fronts yet, but might next time I'm due to hit a track. Probably too hard for normal road use (and who said hydros have to be 'floaty'!)

I agree with the statements before about future proofing though. New hydro bag prices are just a joke - second hand are a little hard to find, and if you do who knows what the condition's like. If they've been dry stored forget it. Unfortunately there are monetary advantages to having what every one else has......


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I went adjustable Konis allround for about $450 set of 4 new. Dry suspension with Hilos, couldnt expect handling to be any better than it is.. corners with virtually 0 body roll.. excellent handling and I havent touched camber settings (needs some for serious track work)

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fuzzy...you're not being cheap....I'm really hoping inazuma was being sarcastic!

Shocks on the front do not need to be adjustable, or the best on the market. Just a bog standard damper to limit the pitching a little. The rear hydro bumps are what make a huge difference. I haven't tried fronts yet, but might next time I'm due to hit a track. Probably too hard for normal road use (and who said hydros have to be 'floaty'!)

I agree with the statements before about future proofing though. New hydro bag prices are just a joke - second hand are a little hard to find, and if you do who knows what the condition's like. If they've been dry stored forget it. Unfortunately there are monetary advantages to having what every one else has......


i was kinda kidding :P although when i get motivated to do something i sacrifice almost every other aspect of my life for that 1 thing...like when i bought my mini 3yrs ago...i was earning $24,000pa working fulltime...and i managed to save $4000 in 4months...i ate nothing but cheap-as-shit pasta with homebrand pasta sauce for almost every meal for those 4 months...and it sucked...but i achieved my goal :P

now i am earning $38,000pa...so i have a bit more cash to throw at my mini :)

as far as the future proofing goes...i am currently running full hyrdos that work well as far as i can tell...but i am kinda paranoid about the whole system going tits up and costing me heaps just to get back to original spec...plus i dont have any of the gear required to service hydraulic components...would be better to spend $1000-$1500 on a new setup and be fairly sure that its not only going to last but that parts are going to be readily available over the counter for quite some time to come...added performance would be a must as well if i was spending that kinda dosh though...

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Iv'e taken the position that if and when my hydro displacers fail and I can't get them repaired / replaced for decent money I will change to dry (if you are worried about cost of changing over in the future get a dry subframe now, you don't really need a dry subframe a wet one can be converted) but it is still possible to find displacers and if you consider any displacer is ~30 years old they are pretty tough and maintance free, (Ok the 30 year old thing is also a bad thing too ie old parts - more likely to fail)

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fuzzy-hair-man wrote:
Iv'e taken the position that if and when my hydro displacers fail and I can't get them repaired / replaced for decent money I will change to dry (if you are worried about cost of changing over in the future get a dry subframe now, you don't really need a dry subframe a wet one can be converted) but it is still possible to find displacers and if you consider any displacer is ~30 years old they are pretty tough and maintance free, (Ok the 30 year old thing is also a bad thing too ie old parts - more likely to fail)


exactly...i tend to be a bit neurotic about this stuff though...if there's a chance something will break or screwup i start worrying about it...i am sure i am going to die early coz of it :P

how much would it cost to get a good set of dry subframes? and then get some nice shocks for it with hi-los?

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Monroe Gas at the front, and Gabriel Red Riders at the rear....

Hard on the front, soft on the rear....seems to handle pretty good.... ask Max !

Also, Its a WET subframe with Dry Components in it - so I'm running Hydro Upper arms (gives Stiffer spring rate) and Dry Cones / hi-los...

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"a hot mustang will own a mini down the straight...but when it comes to the corners its got nothing..."


yes, but when you have two similarly powered cars, and very diferent suspension systems, it really rules out the power and it all comes down to either Driver or handling, yes ?

Neither Kev nor I are Professional drivers, so we'll put it down to handling then, shall I as being the main difference in our cars ?

His Wet, mine dry....handle very similarly is what I'm saying.. mine has had nearly Zero dollars spent, just by lisenting to experts and asking the right questions as well as "feeling" where the car wants grip (front!)

its all getting too hard now....
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kazjim wrote:
"a hot mustang will own a mini down the straight...but when it comes to the corners its got nothing..."


yes, but when you have two similarly powered cars, and very diferent suspension systems, it really rules out the power and it all comes down to either Driver or handling, yes ?

Neither Kev nor I are Professional drivers, so we'll put it down to handling then, shall I as being the main difference in our cars ?

His Wet, mine dry....handle very similarly is what I'm saying.. mine has had nearly Zero dollars spent, just by lisenting to experts and asking the right questions as well as "feeling" where the car wants grip (front!)

its all getting too hard now....
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sure :) we are both agreeing with eachother here...sorry if i went off 1/2 cocked...i misunderstood what you said before :P

the fact you can make a dry mini handle pretty much the same as a wet one without spending much money is interesting to know...as i've said i am running hydro at the moment and am thinking of going dry...or going totally modern...in my eyes what you've said is more of a reason to go dry as the chance of a dry system buggering up is alot less than a wet one...i'd say...although i might be wrong :P

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I am a big fan of hydro. Over the last couple of years I have picked up around 7 spare hydro bags, and made myself a hydro pump. So I feel quite satisfied that I will ber able to keep going for a while. :wink:

Before binning the hydro ( want to sell the bags? :lol: ) go for a good long drive in a dry car. There is a big difference.

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Matt68 wrote:
I am a big fan of hydro. Over the last couple of years I have picked up around 7 spare hydro bags, and made myself a hydro pump. So I feel quite satisfied that I will ber able to keep going for a while. :wink:

Before binning the hydro ( want to sell the bags? :lol: ) go for a good long drive in a dry car. There is a big difference.

Good luck

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hehe...modern suspension as per the kit mentioned at the top of this would be more or less of a rough ride than dry?

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Much harsher :!:


sweet :P so...why would anyone do it? does it improve handling drastically?

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