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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 11:19 pm 
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I must be missing something or there are a few different types of hubs out there. Mine (1964 drum) hubs are made from cast steel. They have the studs pressed into them through four raised landings on the back of the hub. It is not machined all over. The PCD for the camira and the mini are slightly different too.
shucks perhaps not as easy as I thought!!


Not to sure about the different types of hubs, but you are right the PCD is different on the Camira disc. I am trying to put together a set now now using all drum gear, although some post suggest you need disc drive flange and CV. Other posts say you can use all drum gear.

Anyway if mine works out OK and the enginneer aprove the mod I will post some pics and details on my web page. From what I can work out the studs don't go through the disc/rotor, it sits behind the drive flange with four bolts going through the whole lot to hold it together. You do have to machine out the middle of the rotor for it to fit over the swivle hub. Shouldn't be too hard but it would be nice to confirm with someone who has already done the mod.


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i am thinking that you need to press out the existing studs, then machine the rear of the hub to leave a small step. Machine the inside of the rotor so that it sits in this step as well as clear the hub. Redrill your four holes for the studs and press them into the disc and protrude through the hub. then redrill and bolt in your countersunk cap screws. this way the disc is located onto the hub and tend less to shear the c/sunk screws. dunno. but this does mean that you will need to provide a small shim for the front of the hub to replace the brake drum space. this would mean that the rims would then sit in the usual place rather then shimmed outward. Unless they are close to the calipers this should not be a problem. I am going to ring my engineer and see what he thinks. I may even do a sketch and post it on ere.
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manofaus wrote:
i am thinking that you need to press out the existing studs, then machine the rear of the hub to leave a small step. Machine the inside of the rotor so that it sits in this step as well as clear the hub. Redrill your four holes for the studs and press them into the disc and protrude through the hub. then redrill and bolt in your countersunk cap screws. this way the disc is located onto the hub and tend less to shear the c/sunk screws. dunno. but this does mean that you will need to provide a small shim for the front of the hub to replace the brake drum space. this would mean that the rims would then sit in the usual place rather then shimmed outward. Unless they are close to the calipers this should not be a problem. I am going to ring my engineer and see what he thinks. I may even do a sketch and post it on ere.
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I had much the same idea at first but my mate that will do the machining said that it was not safe to press the studs into the disc. The disc is made of cast iron and it likely to crack or weaken then crack at at a later date. My idea was to create a backing plate that the studs would press into then drill four new holes in the disc and put that on, then the drive flange and spacer. This way the disc is clamped between the backing plate and drive flange. You would have to skim the back of the drive flange flat with a slight lip to locate the disc as you said.

As far as the shim at the front goes you can machine off the front part of the drum so that you get the correct spacing.

Haven't done it yet just ideas....


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after going to islington minii wreckers he says that the hubs that we are takling about are infact 10' cooper s hubs. They have already got the c/sunk holes and dtuds in them. new about 120 bucks each.

where did people buy the conversions from?


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Geez, My mates 9 1/4 inch disc conversion (like the ones on my orange 'K' for anyone that's seen it) cost's only about $800 Drive-in Drive-out FITTED !! Price only goes up if any of your parts need replacing.

I don't know all of the ins and outs of the conversion, but a couple of good points are
a) it uses standard drum brake cv's so if anything ever needs replacing it's cheaper
b) you don't need a booster or to change the rear slaves - it has beautiful pedal feel and doesn't lock the rears.

My car, and my mate who does the conversions will be at the swap meet this Sunday for anyone who's interested.

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any chance of putting up details? Would like more info if possible. Perhaps he could send me the kit for me to fit up?


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Mate, I've posted details for this so many times I've lost count. I don't think he'll do a kit, as one of the reasons it's so cheap, as he uses as many parts as possible from your car. Without seeing your car it's obviously impossible to work out what can be used and what needs replacing.

Give him a call. His business name is Truckstuff and his Name is Alan. (02) 9681 5122.
Tell him Bob told you to call. If you're in Sydney, I'm at the swapmeet this weekend, and most Mini Car Club events - I'm happy to show you my car or take you for a drive. Once you put your eyes back into their sockets you'll probably be interested :wink:

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Did anyone end up finding out if there is any difference between the camira and VL callipers?

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Did anyone end up finding out if there is any difference between the camira and VL callipers?
Nope, but I can find out. The bloke I'm finding out off will be there on Sunday anyway if you're coming. 8)

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Hopefuly i should be there.. I have a 21st on saturday night, so that might slow me up a bit :lol:

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I bought some camira calipers today. They are vented, but I think they are the later girloc type, not vl-vs calipers. When I compared them side by side the commodore calipers look alot higher, so perhaps they will not fit under 12' rims. The rebuild kits for the commodore and the camira calipers are the same, so they must share the same piston size. Other then that... just get teh later camira calipers as they are vented.
Tonight I will try to make some backing plates.


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how much did they set you back?

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I dont think the normal camira callipers fit under 12"s without skimming a bit off them??
mmm I wonder if its worth seeing if a 4 pot calliper is made for a commodore? Can you have too much stopping power in the front :lol:

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has anyone had a look at any of the volvos at the wreckers?? lots of rotory guys use these calipers as there 4 piston and smallish.

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