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If necessary, the drive gear can be repositioned on the shaft to accommodate a different
rotational position. To do this, remove the '123' and carefully remove the retaining spring from
the drive gear, then use a small punch to tap out the pin and re-assemble at an angle more
suitable to your needs.

KLAS from the web site

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Cheers Pete

just fitted one to the mini of a friend of mine, slightly modded 998ccm A+.
we tried it as we thought that the engine would like a different advance curve.
you have to know this kind of engine has a CR of 10:1 and is designed to run with 95 octane fuel and the "anti-knock-device" is the dizzy curve.
the engine now runns much better, much more responsive and idles a lot smother.

the only complain is that the dizzy is 90° off, cylinder 1 is now were cylinder 2 was to be. not the best with a custom set of wires.
don't know if this is a A+ problem only

Just pull the dizzy drive shaft out of the block and turn it 90° approx, refit. :wink:

Author:	Flute [ Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:48 pm ]
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Is there a thread on this subject already? I couldn't find one. Does anyone use this ignition? Any advice on it? They say it has 16 settings but someone told me it really has only 2. http://www.123ignition.com.au/

Author:	drmini in aust [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:09 am ]
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Yes, it really does have 16 curves, they are accessed via a selector plug in the base- the dizzy must be removed to do this though. No I don't run one, I'm a cheapskate. See http://www.tdcperformance.ca/ More info can be found if you do a search on www.minimania.com

Author:	Sprite_Man [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:50 am ]
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http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic ... 3+ignition

Author:	Flute [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:45 pm ]
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Thanks for your help.

Author:	BALLISTIC [ Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:22 am ]
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The only person i know that uses this dissy set up is "pottsy" (mini experiance) but im not 100% sure he has it in his mini. i do know he has it in his "white whale" and says its works very well.

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Author:	Flute [ Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:03 am ]
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Yeah, Pottsy put me onto the idea when I saw it in his Citreon at The Island and I read his article about them. Nice to know if anyone has one in their mini to see what they think. I will talk to minisport about them as well.

Author:	KLAS [ Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:06 pm ]
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just fitted one to the mini of a friend of mine, slightly modded 998ccm A+. we tried it as we thought that the engine would like a different advance curve. you have to know this kind of engine has a CR of 10:1 and is designed to run with 95 octane fuel and the "anti-knock-device" is the dizzy curve. the engine now runns much better, much more responsive and idles a lot smother. the only complain is that the dizzy is 90° off, cylinder 1 is now were cylinder 2 was to be. not the best with a custom set of wires. don't know if this is a A+ problem only

Author:	EST-071 [ Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:34 pm ]
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For $500+ it would want to be good. KLAS from the web site Quote: If necessary, the drive gear can be repositioned on the shaft to accommodate a different rotational position. To do this, remove the '123' and carefully remove the retaining spring from the drive gear, then use a small punch to tap out the pin and re-assemble at an angle more suitable to your needs. Cheers Pete

Author:	Pottsy [ Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:41 pm ]
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Yes, I run the 123 ignition unit in my Mini as well as in Moby Dick, the great white whale (Citroen DS). Moby has over 30,000 Km under his belt with absolutely no troubles so far. The Mini unit has done a few thousand miles in my son's van on his 998 motor, and has been in my Deluxe since just before Hay this year. If you refer to Mini Experience Issue 10 you'll see a dyno sheet showing the improvement of the electronic unit over the standard distributor. (This was on the 998 motor) The change in the response and smoothness of the engine has to be experienced to be believed. With a modded engine you have to do a bit of trial and error to find the right curve to avoid pinging. Each of the available curves has a different amount of maximum advance so you have to play around a bit to get it right. My 1090 screamer has about 10.5:1 compression (calculated) so it's very sensitive to the wrong timing. Once you've got it right, however, you'll never have to worry about ignition again. Several members of the VMCI have these in their cars now, and as far as I know, they're all totally happy with them. OK, It may be an expensive unit, but in my my opinion it's worth every cent. When you look at the cost of replacing the bearings in your standard distributor, then setting up the advance weights and springs exactly, preferably with unworn parts, the cost of the new unit becomes more attractive. Add in the fact that its only moving part in the shaft up the middle and wear becomes something other people experience. The 123ignition is a completely new body (that looks original). It comes with a new cap and rotor as well, and these are standard, readily available items (either Bosch or Ducellier usually) in addition, you don't have to find places to mount external units or trigger modules. It just connects to the original coil. I also run a set of Bosch Super 4 spark plugs and these show no signs of deterioration at all. This motor pulls hard and fast to around 7000 rpm, then settles down to a smooth idle. It's just awesome in autocross and seriously spunky on the road. Save the money, sell the kids for scientific experiment, give up drinking and smoking for a few weeks, do anything to get one of these beauties. Talk to Ted Cross at 123ignition Australia. He's a very approachable bloke and if he can't answer your queries, he'll pass them on to head office in the Netherlands. Cheers, Pottsy

Author:	KLAS [ Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:17 pm ]
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deluxe_68 wrote: KLAS from the web site Quote: If necessary, the drive gear can be repositioned on the shaft to accommodate a different rotational position. To do this, remove the '123' and carefully remove the retaining spring from the drive gear, then use a small punch to tap out the pin and re-assemble at an angle more suitable to your needs. Cheers Pete i've been told that i could only rotate the drive dog by 180° by the manufacturer. that wouldn't help so i didn't even looked at it and the owner of that car don't care so it stays like that

Author:	drmini in aust [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:51 am ]
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KLAS wrote: just fitted one to the mini of a friend of mine, slightly modded 998ccm A+. we tried it as we thought that the engine would like a different advance curve. you have to know this kind of engine has a CR of 10:1 and is designed to run with 95 octane fuel and the "anti-knock-device" is the dizzy curve. the engine now runns much better, much more responsive and idles a lot smother. the only complain is that the dizzy is 90° off, cylinder 1 is now were cylinder 2 was to be. not the best with a custom set of wires. don't know if this is a A+ problem only Just pull the dizzy drive shaft out of the block and turn it 90° approx, refit.

Author:	KLAS [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:19 am ]
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drmini in aust wrote: Just pull the dizzy drive shaft out of the block and turn it 90° approx, refit. i thought about it but the owner didn't like it, don't ask me why, he was more annoyed by the lenght of his much to long Champion ignition wires and his non-original poor fitting grille

Author:	Flute [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:17 pm ]
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Thanks Pottsy, that's enough for me! I don't smoke and don't drink much and the kids refuse to be given up for science so I will have to work some overtime. Cheers, Jim. PM sent.

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