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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:31 am 
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G'day All,
Just bought a front and rear adjustable suspension kit from minispares UK, including adjustable tie rods, bottom arms and rear brackets, my question is, What type of setup is common, Im thinking about going,
Front -2.5' Camber,3 to 4 caster? 1/16thtoe.
Rear -1.5 to -2.5 camber, As with rear toe i not sure weather to run some or go dead ahead, as ive found that some people say to run none,as it can make the rear too unstable? Is this true?
Would be great to know what different setups everybody uses? :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:40 am 
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i have the same setup but i run
front
2 neg
2.5 caster (can't run anymore due to 10X6 wheels and uncut guards
1 degrees toe is (this is wrong should be toe out though)

Rear
2 neg
0 toe

this setup is pretty good for me and seems stable. i would like to run more caster but i need to cut the guards i would run about 4 degs if i could

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Just installed a set last week and had it set up two dats ago:
Front:
Negative 2deg camber
Positive 3deg caster
1/2 mm toe out

Rear:
1deg negative camber
1/4mm toe in.

Make sure that your suspension place can set track on 10in wheels coz not many can.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:14 am 
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RE: rear toe in

From memory rear setup controls how the car oversteers/understeers in a fast corner. Someone else can elaborate or you can do a search as it's been discussed before at length.

I have 1/16th rear toe in and the car is more "true" and predictable in fast corners. If you don't plan to do any fast corners keep it dead straight :wink:

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Of course i'll be going round corners fast, Isn't that why we all love our minis!! :lol:
So front toe out, rear toe in?
Whats the most neg front/rear camber that can be run without chewing out the inners of the tyres every week!
My Clubby only gets driven on the weekends so I can go big on the angles, but probley not as big as race mini. Ive looked at old threads and some people have said
neg 5deg front and rear would this be a street or track setup? :?

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5 degrees! I don't think you won't get much more use out of 1.5-3*. 1.5* or more and I think you will have tyre wear issues.

I run 1.5* and she handles real good...

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:22 am 
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How do you all check the measuresments?

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Any wheel alignment place that can do 10 inch wheels

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:10 am 
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5* would be serious track/race setup.

I know some very quick roundies that run 4* on the track... and thats plenty.
I reckon over 2.5* on a road car is too much... 1.5*-2* is plenty I would say.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:22 pm 
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Righty-O, there`s obviously quite a fair bit of confusion over the specs for wheel alignments

Most "ROAD" minis are happy enough with pretty close to std specs, that is somehwere between +1deg to -1 deg camber,,, 2 to 3 deg caster & 1/16th toe out, most factory settings are a bit all over the place so you get what you get.

Add to that all the years of abuse, car crashes, panel beaters bashing & pulling on them all the biffs & barges they`ve copped over the years & they end up even more "all over the place"

So , where do you start hey???? that`s the question really isn`t it???

well,,, first up you need to ask your self one question---> what am i going to be doing with this mini???

If your answer is just keeping it as a roady, no track work, then specs can be quite calm at the std (ish) end as written above, no real drama therte just as long as it`s all pretty even both sides. Some guys like to slightly stagger the caster figures a tad to cope with the camber of our roads.--> like maybe 2.5deg caster on the right & 3 deg on the left, just to help keep her straight on the cambered roads we have. who really cares anyways & it`s not really that much of an issue but still some people like to think so.

However, if your answer is that you`d be using it for road,,, but also wanting to do some track work,,,, well, it then depends on 2 things---> #1 what type of track work, dirt or bitumen or both &&&&& #2 How flexable is your car, or maybe how stiff is your car???

That is to say you could have a fairly weak body with fairly soft springs & shocks, well that would lend itself nicely to more of a dirt track situation or even a wet tarmac track as the softness helps with grip in those situations & if you have this soft set up then upon cornering would induce a fair bit of leaning over, body roll & therfore a fair bit of camber/caster would be pretty good.

A stiff set up, roll caged, seam welded, braced mini with anti roll bars etc all set up with stiff springs & stiffly valved shocks would be more happy with far less camber than a soft mini

you get the drift ? (pun intended)

set up far Too stiff & you`ll have it sliding all over the place, far too soft & it can tend to hop around all over the place

A mix match of any &/or all of that dribble can leave you in no mans land if you don`t have a slight grasp of what i`m talking about here & you won`t be able to do much about it till you finally drive a "Well set up" mini & see/feel what i`ts all about

The difference is chalk & cheese, you try to drive an off road buggy on a bitumen race track & race it against a V8 super tourer & you will see what i mean,,, dam all you need is imagination to know what car is going to win hey?

But, turn that around & race the V8 super tourer against the off road buggy on his home ground, the dirt,,, & obviously , well,,, you are getting the idea right?/???

All sorts of other interesting things come into play also tho,,, ride heights, roll centres, shocks, spring rates, etc etc etc,,, so there`s no "Perfect" set up for "ALL" minis

a ball park figure for a roady will be about between odeg & 1deg neg camber,,, 3 to 4 deg caster,,, & 1/16th toe out on the front,,,, .5 to maybe 1 deg neg camber on the rear & 1/16th toe in

a ball park figure for a sof set up for dirt &/or wet tracks can be around 2 to 3 deg camber, 4 to 5 deg caster & 1/16th toe out front, maybe 2 deg camber on the rear with again 1/16th toe in at the rear.

For stiff bitumen race cars , set low on the deck with anti roll bars etc, well maybe there`s a fair bit of trial & error with it all to suit the weight of the car, the roll centres can be played with , the tyres also have a huge part to play,,, for EG: Hoosier Street TD tyres absolutely love being set up straight up & down,,, that is absolutely no camber at all... so i can`t really help you much with a race cars set up until i drive it & feel it out & run the tyre pirometer over the tread after a run to test temps across the tread patterns etc etc etc there`s also a photo/video we can take of the cars attitude going into, during & comming out of a corner so we can put all this info together to work out the very best set up for that particular race mini. Big job but well worth the effort,,, just not really worth it on a road car

so there you go, not the "be all & end all" of wheel alignments, but hopfully just gives you all an idea of where all these figures come from & why

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:00 pm 
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Haven't had mine on the road in a long while, but for a good setup I always told

0 - camber

3deg - castor

0 - toe in / toe out.

Cornered like it was on rails.
Aways wore the front tyres nice and evenly (flat) didn't get those "cone shaped tyres like I do on the rear, Of course I had 3 deg camber in the rear :oops:

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