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Author:  mini-me [ Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:39 pm ]
Post subject:  racing harnesses in a van
can anyone help me with putting racing harnesses in a clubman van ,what is the procedure ,can you do it yourself or do i have to take it somewhere to get done .
any ideas.
Author:  aaron [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:07 am ]
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for road use harnesses are illegal without having them fitted correctly, even then, but i am not 100% certain, you cannot use them for road use and canonly use them for track use.
Harnesses are really uncomfortable anyway in my opinion, and look lice RICE. Unless for use in race and rally i wouldn't bother.

Cheers

Aaron
Author:  awdmoke [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:56 am ]
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Are you going to retain & use the original belts for road use?
If so, then the cops don't have a problem with it.

If you intend using them on the road, your best bet is to fill out & submit a Modification form http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_modform_prodveh.pdf
before you fit them in accordance with NCOP http://www.dotars.gov.au/transreg/vsb/vsb_ncop.aspx :)
Then you will need to take it over the pits.
Author:  Chris [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: racing harnesses in a van
mini-me wrote:
can anyone help me with putting racing harnesses in a clubman van ,what is the procedure ,can you do it yourself or do i have to take it somewhere to get done .
any ideas.


Ring an engineer. Unless you can find someone on here from WA who has done it, any answer here is only an opinion. Harnesses if fitted correctly are not uncomfortable, but they are inconvenient. Inertia reels were introduced for two reasons, the first was that they are always worn correctly instead of being too loose, as people used to do, and the other was for convenience so the wearer could reach things without taking it off while driving. Harnesses don't allow the last.
Author:  awdmoke [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:39 am ]
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PM Lindsay (aka MV 64) He has the HOT red van with the one piece fibreglass door.

Pretty sure he has harnesses & may be able to fill in the blanks for you.
But make sure you fit them in accordance with the new Code of Practice - things have changed in the last year or so :wink:
Author:  PetenSoaf [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:44 pm ]
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awdmoke wrote:
PM Lindsay (aka MV 64) He has the HOT red van with the one piece fibreglass door.
Pretty sure he has harnesses & may be able to fill in the blanks for you.
But make sure you fit them in accordance with the new Code of Practice - things have changed in the last year or so :wink:


I'm not going to comment about the legalities (although, as far as I *was* aware, as long as the belt has an Australian standards tag on it and either the original belt mounts, or 'suitably reinforced' new mount points are used, it's all OK. This may have changed) but when I fitted the harnesses to Lindsay's van (I built and owned the van before him), I used the original lower mount points (either side of the seat) and 'reinforced' the single mount for the shoulder straps on the load floor with a spreader plate taken from the rear parcel shelf of a Clubman sedan (I figured if the spreader plate - about 100x200x3mm - was legal for Leyland, then it should be for me).
In order to fit the shoulder straps at a reasonable angle, the rear mount points are actually behind the rear wheel arches which kind of makes the rear of the van useless for anything other than looking at. . .

Hope this helps,
Peter
Author:  Idearat [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:28 pm ]
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ok to keep harnesses legal they must be aus standard aproved... go for something like a 2" 4point harness from england with an ECE16 which is above and beyond the aus standard, lower points, as has been said, attach to the normal lower seatbelt points. sholder belts are where the dificulty starts, you'll need to put in a harness bar if you want to use the rear of your van, which means a half or full cage, road cage is fine, which means you still have the rear of the van open.
then once the sholder belts are attached to the harness bar, they can run straight down to the floor, add in the spreder plates and your done.

make sure you use the bolts that come with the harness, and you should find that there is enough extra bolt for you to keep your normal belt in the car, which you have to do, unless you want to get an engineers cert...

as far as i know thats the auswide law, might be different in WA but i doubt it
Author:  mini-me [ Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:21 pm ]
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thanks for all your help guys , the only reason i was thinking about harnesses is because i have a three year old daughter that would be coming with me a fair bit ,just thought it would be safer.
Author:  Chris [ Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:05 pm ]
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Idearat wrote:
ok to keep harnesses legal they must be aus standard aproved... go for something like a 2" 4point harness from england with an ECE16 which is above and beyond the aus standard, lower points,


No Australian standards mark, no go. They don't care what else is on it. Trt it and see what happens.
Author:  Idearat [ Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:18 pm ]
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i'm running TRS 2" ECE16 rated belts. you can actualy look it up to see how the codings relate to each other. also as the ECE standard is higer than the australian standard it is accepted. its the same with bucket seats, you'll find that the majority of the seats dont have aus standard tags, they hav a TUV or ECE but as their standard is higher than the aus standard you are alowed to run with this equipment.
if your worried about it at all, google the standards and compare. but i'm yet to hear of anyone being failed on an ECE or TUV spec part, and these parts usualy get an automatic aus standard approval because of the level they are produced at.
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