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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:49 pm 
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I don't imagine there'd be much point to doing the old Datto A Series head nowadays. They're not as cheap as they used to be, and I'd be surprised if they gave enough extra power to justify the extra work getting the exhaust/engine steadies/water jackets/oilways to work. The Datto A Series was supposedly a copy of the Austin A Series, but saying it's a copy doesn't mean it's identical. :wink:
In terms of using a V8 head, you'd have difficulties with waterways and oilways. The most obvious of which, to my mind, would be getting water out of the cylinder head and into the radiator - don't V8's (memory's foggy) usually take the water out the front of the engine, in the valley..? :?
I vaguely remember reading about the Micra heads..? Both the 1275 and 998? The 998 was never sold out here, and they had very mild cams in them. What I read also implied the bore spacing almost perfectly works, but not head studs. 16v, DOHC. :D But they obviously weren't the easiest thing to do, because otherwise they'd all be doing them in the UK, not going further with the BMW head. :wink:
The toughest thing with finding a head to suit an A Series is figuring out what's similar. You wouldn't want too big an engine as a donor, you just lose compression. And there aren't that many sub 1.4L 4 cylinder engines in Australia. You also need an engine with a very narrow bore, to fit the valves. Compound that with the unequal bore spacing... Makes it quite a task! Although it would be fun to go through a wrecking yard and try... :) Or, if we could get dimensions for everything, which, unfortunately, is something that manufacturers don't tend to provide. :(
Talking old British motors turned sideways onto Mini gearboxes, weren't there a few Ford Kent/BDA/Cosworth engine conversions done in the '60's? That would've been some work... 8)


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Why bother with butchering it to fit foreign heads, after all that work there's still a puny A series 3 bearing crank under there.
If you're gonna do it I'd either stick the whole motor on an A series box or toss a transplant in and be done with it.
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I once sat a Ford Kent 1600 block on a Mini box and was amazed how some of the holes lined up. Hmmmm... BDA anyone? 8)

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One of the Vizard books I used to have shows in detail how they put the ford motors onto the mini box. Special castings made up to be welded into place to mount it and a special crankshaft extender was used to mount a mini flywheel.

But I agree with drmini. While the primary limitation of the a-series may be the head, there are still plenty of other things to worry about below that. 3 bearing crank and fragile gearbox would be my main concerns.

I also think it would be more work to engineer a head/block swap than a whole power unit swap.

Well, thats what I reckon anyway. I'll let you know when its finished...

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Nissan Micra DOHC?
i tried it once, 1.0 and 1.3 engines are the same exept for stroke, but the bore spacing is some milimeters of, the gasket will not fit

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Warwick Agustin races a Mini with a Toyota 4-AGE driving a Mini gearbox via chain. Goes bloody hard and it's been running probably 10 years or more.
They say an all synchro Mini box will stand 180HP, for a while.. as long as you are not stupid with it. No flat shifting.... :wink:

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I've got a 1300 Kent lying around... But do you know how much the twin cam heads are worth these days?! :shock: :shock: :shock:
People only do what's going to be the best solution for the cost - hence full conversions, BMW heads and SC12 kits are becoming more common (although still not truly common!). And that's why people don't do Micra heads on A series blocks, or many custom 8 ports... Too much work or too much money.
I'm curious, KLAS, I didn't realize that the 998 was just destroked, which Mini engine did you put the head on? Don't worry, I'm not going to try myself... :)
But it's fun to dream... :roll:


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i tried to fit it to the 998 and 1300 A series
the Micra has a 71mm bore and the 1300 A series is a close fit but not close enough.
if i remember correctly the bore spacing was worse with the 998 A series

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This car is apparently still around somewhere
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Rookiepilot wrote:
This car is apparently still around somewhere
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Holy Moly! :shock: Is it odd that I find that completely sexy? 8)

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it says lotus :shock:


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that'd be at least a lotus head and block (on mini gb) if not a whole lotus engine...


i say why bother with another head...


the a-series head is perfectly awful.... :)

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Lotus Twin Cam - which is Ford Kent block. I think they bolt onto a Mini gearbox

About 160 horses at the flywheel - interesting

Not a very cheap option - silly prices for those engines at the moment


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If the Micra head is so close, could you offset the bores to make it fit?

Also, are there any bike heads that are close, apart from the one the miniman is using?


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Lotus Twin Cam - which is Ford Kent block. I think they bolt onto a Mini gearbox

About 160 horses at the flywheel - interesting

Not a very cheap option - silly prices for those engines at the moment


good for novelty value

but 4efte would make a better bang for buck option..

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miniboy1962 wrote:
If the Micra head is so close, could you offset the bores to make it fit?


maybe. i don't know if the crankshaft would like it to move the outer cylinders by some milimeters

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