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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:49 am 
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And maybe pick up a reasonable s/h head to do the work on... so you can just swap them over once it's all done :) plently of 202 heads around...


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what kind of skills tools would i need? would it be better if ijust took it some-one and paid them?

where would i take it? how much would it cost about?

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well i've got an extra cylinder head now. he he he

so what to do. anyone know anyone close by to byron bay or on the gold coast that does cylinder tuning or what it is called?

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I have a modded small bore head with 1100s inlet and exhaust valves, needs the seats recut and the inlet ports opened up a bit for 1100. Has no guide bosses, works quite well. PM me if you are interested, I have a mechanic mate in Mullum that could help you as well.


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you'll see a HUGE performance gain with extractors and exhaust alone

add a bigger carb (single hs4 or twin hs2's) and you will see another big chunk of power

usually this is all that is necessary for a road mini to give it a little poke.

opening the head up is an excellent thing to do, but do your exhaust and induction first, its the best bang for $


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Spaceboy wrote:
you'll see a HUGE performance gain with extractors and exhaust alone
opening the head up is an excellent thing to do, but do your exhaust and induction first, its the best bang for $

According to Vizard's yellow book p234, fig 10.5, there's only about 2-3HP in it (on a 1275) between the old cast iron manifold and an LCB or 3-1 manifold.
Probably even less on a smallbore.
I'd do the head first.... :wink:

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you guys are crazy,

the cheapest easiest quickest and most effective way to increase power on a stock motor is to upgrade the exhaust from the manifold back.

ramflo's are cheap and they work well when new..
they dont take long to shrink, then they only filter out rocks.
stick to K&N or the doughnut type factory air boxes.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:16 pm 
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Do the HEAD...money well spent..a cheap die grinder some carbide bits, emery flap wheels and elbow grease. Get the guides press out, grind off the guide bosses and blend them, buy some 1100s inlet/exhaust valves, make the inlet ports the same size as the inlets at the smallest point but keep the ports a venturi shape, shape the exhaust ports so the high flow gases can escape efficiently (dont touch the short turn radius to much), unshroud the inlets and exhausts in the chambers. Get a engine shop to enlarge the valve throats, press new guides in (bullet nose them first) and cut the seats. CC the head and match that to the duration of a good camshaft to get a resonable compression ratio for pump fuel,a single 1 3/4 su and 3 into 1 extaracters. For a road small bore a bit rough round the edges but not a bad recipe to start with.


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Exhaust/manifolds/carbie may be the quickest, easiest and probably the cheapest way (unless you port the head yourself) to get more power on a stock motor, but they won't give you anything near what modding the head will, if the work's done properly. I think Vizard says as much as a 20% increase in power from good head modifications on a 12G202 - I might be a bit out, but it was a big number... Whatever the number was, he didn't have a high opinion of the gas flow of the majority of standard Mini heads. But there is scope for a good improvement. If you want more power, get the head worked first. The bigger carbs/exhaust etc will work better with a better flowing head. A comparison would be the roadworks you guys have down there. It doesn't matter if you've got 3 lanes each way for 400km, that 5km stretch with stop/go controllers and a 40km/h zone is what determines how fast the rest of the road flows. There's no point widening the 3 lanes out to 5 (bigger carbie and headers) unless you finish the roadworks and get rid of the 40 zone first. You can't fully utilize the extra capacity, due to that one congested spot that everyone has to travel through. The biggest restrictor on power (read: gas flow) in a Mini is the standard head. It's the 40 zone. That's why no one runs 750 Holley double pumpers and 3" headers on a Mini - they flow so much more than the Mini could ever use. That would be having 10 lanes each way going into a single lane 40km/h zone. :)
All that said, if you're going to work the head yourself, don't rush it. Have a good look at Vizard's book. He has photos and diagrams that clearly show what you're trying to achieve. In doing that, you want all four chambers in the head to be the same volume - known as having them cc'd. After doing all that, it would pay to get the head skimmed, to reduce the combustion chamber size after increasing the chamber size (which is inevitable if you're going to unshroud the valves, which is how you get more power). Increasing the chamber size reduces your compression ratio, which, though it does mean you can run really, really poor quality fuel, will dramatically reduce the power you can produce. And, if the head's going in to a machine shop to get skimmed, you should get hardened exhaust valve seats put in it, so you can run it on straight unleaded. :) If that sounds scary to you, it might be worthwhile to pay someone else to do it. :? Or buy one which has already been done (Sorry but I don't know where. Maybe someone does it on an exchange basis?). :?: I've read Vizard's book (a few years ago), and remember the theory, but I know it's way beyond my skills to execute it! :oops: :roll:
Sorry if I'm explaining basic gravity to a quantum physicist, but I get the impression that this is the basic sort of explanation that you're after.
With all that said, if you've got that spare head, you've got some reference material for where to grind away the metal (really, get (one of) Vizard's book(s), shouldn't cost you more than $70 - try eBay, or, for a new copy, here: http://www.pitstop.net.au/view/marques- ... /plu/8858/ and http://www.pitstop.net.au/view/marques- ... /plu/8313/ . It's worth the investment, it explains it all very well, others here will tell you which one they think is more appropriate), and you're feeling game, give it a go! :D It'll give you the highest percentage power increase possible short of getting a turbo/blower or a bigger engine.


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which of the 2 books would be most suitable?

also, how much would it cost to have someone else do it? anyone got any ideas?

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at least $500


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good thing public holidays are coming up soon.

gotta love that double and half pay.

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Yeah go the head, afterall Vizard knows his stuff.

Mod the one you got or do what I did (the more expensive way probably) and buy a better head. I got a Cooper S head instead of a stock 12G940 (1100S perhaps) and before I supercarged my car and stuff, it was much faster than the 1100S motor in the clubby which had the same bolt on stuff (twin carbs, and LCB).

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I would not put any Cooper S head on a smallbore 850-998-1098 motor, the valves are too big.
A Morris 1100S can work but there are things to watch out for.

If it's a smallbore motor, the best stock head is a 12G295, used on AH Sprite Mk 2A?, and Cooper 998.
Next best is the 12G202 used on 1098 (Mini and Morris 1100) and 997 Cooper motors. With a bit of a tickle they go fine on a road car.

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With 1100S valves and kent 276 and reasonable compression on a +20 998 I have had to pocket the bores a little for the zoorst valves. This combo worked quite well for me on a roadie, however, I think an re-13 cam would be better these days. all these mods done on a small bore head.


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