Lillee if you read everything throughly you would have realised no one is really for injected. The suggestion of cold start was simply to put one good side forward as it is a good side. BUt overall everyone has said carbie.

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1964 Morris 850, 1330 Supercharged - 81.8hp atws.
1975 Leyland Mini S 1100S powered - Nice and reliable.
1977 Leyland Mini LS - Project LS-T

i am absolutely pro-EFI and think its way better than carbs

but a good set up carb is much better than a poor EFI, carbs are more known if you need any help, cheaper too. for the "normal" user a carb is the way to go

EFI has its advantages, you can build the best manifold ever if you port inject as you don't have to worry about fuel separation (but who can to that?), you have best A/F ratio control as most efi use lambda sensors, the better ones even wide band, and you don't have to use needles or jets to adjust the mixture (but normaly you set it up once and don't play every day with it)

take your pick

BTW i know one swiss owned MPi, 1293ccm, that has 105HP/130Nm at the crank without and 158HP/180Nm with NOS and here in Germany a mini called "Williams MPi", 1430ccm, has more than 90HP, but i don't know the exact specs. and you may ask "crazily" about his MPi, bolt on tuning, reworked ecu, 81HP

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The above comparison is of the FSI against the 2.0 TDI. There is also the Golf 1.9TDI (single cam V twin cam 2.0 TDI) which is the same the price as the FSI, which if you like a big flat torque curve(5.5L/100 is a just a bonus) is a gem to drive. The 2.0TDI is gruntier and higher revving, but more expensive. If you get to drive all 3 of them, you will see why VW is sells more Golf diesels (2.0 TDI is their highest seller) than petrol (the GTi petrol turbo is #2).

Sorry for going off tangent.

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Klas wrote

BTW i know one swiss owned MPi, 1293ccm, that has 105HP/130Nm at the crank without and 158HP/180Nm with NOS and here in Germany a mini called "Williams MPi", 1430ccm, has more than 90HP, but i don't know the exact specs. and you may ask "crazily" about his MPi, bolt on tuning, reworked ecu, 81HP[/quote]


We have a 1293 mini in Sydney with a carb that has 158 hp without NOS and there are many more with nearly as much

Jon

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1293 Mini Midas Bronze,1275 Clubman van

I am totally pro for carbs but to think about the deisal cycle for a moment, good deisel or farily new ones at least, such as my dad's land rover discovery has direct injection. As opposed to port or manifold injection. Now this is superior, moreso for deisels but what about petrol? Mazda's new MPS turbo thing supposedly has direct into the combustion chamber injection for perfect mixture and timing but this is very complicated and expensive but really is good. I wouldn't ever bother going injected on a 5 port mini. 8 or 7 port tho that's a little different. No one has mentioned (i dont think they have anyways...) Mechanical injection? what is that like as opposed to carbs or EFi i'm talking about four mechanical injectors on an 8 port or 7 port not a dodgy twin port.

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1964 Morris 850, 1330 Supercharged - 81.8hp atws.
1975 Leyland Mini S 1100S powered - Nice and reliable.
1977 Leyland Mini LS - Project LS-T

would be nice to have the engine specs, and there cold be some more power with EFI


mechanical injection? try the Bosch K-Jetronik, very cheap to get over here. or if you want direct injection find an old Mercedes 300SL

as far as i know diesel is always direct injection, it can not breath in a mixture as there would no way to control the ignition

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Mechanical injection makes me want to puke! Hurl! Yak! Chunda!

I had a Merc 230E with Bosch K-Jetronic and it was such a great system while it worked but at 15 years old it was a total pig. Blocked injectors, huge $$$ metering valve, massively bulky and just plain crap once some engine oil blow-by got into it. Yuk. Carbs eat it.

A port injected 8-port, yes please but the heads cost more than a decent conversion.

BTW diesels have been direct injected for ages. Diesel is a much better lubricant than petrol and until recently it was difficult to make a direct injector for pertrol.

i like technology, EFI is far superior to carburettors, its not the best choice for power on minis as carbs have had 40 years of development and due to the siamese ports, but for a daily hack i would take efi any day.

Two thing..I've got a 1979 230E merc, for carrying guitars and amps and such. It's carby! Heheh....And about diesels, yes they have been for a very long time, better brands like LandRover and such used this kind of technology long before the SUV craze caught onto it. Lower tech deisels such as last model pajero's and last model landcruisers (or modeL before not certain) had been using very old injection technologies to save on money for engineering. This practice is very common in the car world look at detriot, throughout the 60s and 70s engines were still being used from the 40s just the cars looked more uptodate (A-series too but cooper s was a massive update! ) Mostly american cars were in the stonage with suspension technology and some still are.....

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1964 Morris 850, 1330 Supercharged - 81.8hp atws.
1975 Leyland Mini S 1100S powered - Nice and reliable.
1977 Leyland Mini LS - Project LS-T

A little off the topic...... but......

A friend of mine just completed the first known Direct Injection LPG conversion in South Australia.... unlike regular LPG setups, the gas is injected directly into the inlet port via a series of injectors fed from a pressurised fuel rail.. Normally, the inlet manifold is just filled with LPG and drawn into the cylinder, which is why so many LPG cars backfire and blow the inlet manifolds to pieces.

The whole setup is programmable just like EFI, and can be tuned for power and economy.

This new system (well, its new here at least) should make LPG setups far more reliable, and make a tank of gas last a whole lot longer.

Seeing this setup completed makes me wonder what could be done if I had some $$$ and spare engines to play with.....

If only I could fabricate some custom head designs.... with injector provisions

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[NATHAN] -- Sold everything mini related and am back in big beautiful BMWs