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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:57 pm 
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I<Edit> I'll add more thought to this. If you run a 1098cc motor, then run 7 psi, you looking at around a 50% engine size increase, well sort of. (atmo pressure is around 14.7 psi, so boost is effectively 14.7+***psi, so 7psi of boost means the engine is running at 53.7psi.)

So your looking at having 1650cc engine. Although that sounds like plently you'll ifnd it doesn't quite work that good. I'm running 6psi from a 1330, theoretically I would have an equivalent engine size of about 1873cc. But my car is not nearly as powerful as a 1.9L would be, get it?



Ah, Im confused. 14.7 (which you dont really count normally - because everything has 14.7 - NA motors, etc... thats just atmospheric pressure...)
In your calculation... 14.7 + 7psi = 53.7psi . I dont understand the math. It should be 21.7psi (14.7 + 7)

Am I missing something... also, how do you get the 1650cc, 1873cc, etc....
Can you break this down for me...

My understanding is that 7psi is 7psi... thats basically it. Turbo or super... thats the boost added...

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Yeah 21.7psi...major typo.

The reason for this is you can then make ratios.

For example, 7 psi of boost can be thought of as (14.7+7)/(14.7)=~1.48 times the engine displacement.

Now times you engine size by that, for example 1275cc.

1275x1.48=1887cc. So 7psi of boost of a 1275cc is equivilant to a 1887cc.

My mistake on the incorrect (geez I was way off...??? :? ) numbers for psi. I should have made reference to where all this was coming from. I was reading some information a friend of mine printed off the internet for deciding on pulley size, or supercharger size for desireable boost at desired rpm.

And 7psi of boost is just that, 7psi of boost. However, no boost is approxmately 14.7psi. So for the ratios to work, you need to consider the atmospheric pressure.

This makes other units of pressure more useful. 1 bar of boost, is approximately 1 atmosphere of boost which is approximately 14.7psi. So 1 bar is approximately double the engine size. a 998 with 14.7psi of boost is going to be almost a 2 litre! Awesome.

Of course in the real world it doesn't really work like that I don't think. But I've read a few books on turbocharging and supercharging and they speak about displacement of engines with boosted cars in this way.

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Yeah, but hey whats 30psi ... rofl...

Ok, I now understand a little more of what you mean... thanks for the explanation.
I dont think counting atmosheric pressure (14.7psi) should be counted really... because even NA engines have 14.7psi ;)

With the engine displacement calculation, I have seen your math and understand the point, but I agree with you... it doesnt quite work that way.

For example, speaking to some in the know, there are 1500cc cortina engines and Ben's 1152 turbo will absolutely anhialate them.
In your case, your 1800cc (roughly) will beat some 1800's and get whipped by others.

Its not a really good way to compare.

I dont know about the calculation about displacement really. I know on paper and according to the numbers it makes some sense... but if you have a 998 or 1100 or 1275... thats your displacement.
Yes, I understand compressing 'more' in the cylinders due to forced induction...

Interesting.

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aren't you running at a huge vacum when at high RPM

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pristic wrote:
Its not a really good way to compare.


I agree with you on that. It's just the way it was written in a certain book on boosting cars I've read through. There was a 6 cylinder Falcon with an "effective engine displacement of 8.3 litres" or something like that. The book was all about V8s and Holden/Ford straight 6's, but was an alright read, can't remember what it was called. I didn't buy it, I read some of it at the book shop and went, "naaaaaah, don't need it" and left. :oops: :lol:

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No sweat matey... its all good.
Simple thing is, Turbo or Super... forget displacement, psi, etc... quite simply forced induction rocks ;)

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long time no see peter...hows the engine build going..no updates :shock:

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Of course!

Once you've experienced forced induction on a Mini there's no going back!

I've got to try turbo A-series sometime though. And make a proper comparison.

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