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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:19 am 
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After 2 years of "ownership" (exclusive and full private use of a work car) I thought I'd pass on some thoughts on the MINI.
I've had the petrol MINI Cooper for 2 years now (it's birthday today!).
It's been a good car in that time - 83k kms in 24mths shows that it's been well used, but not abused. Most of that travel has been on country roads. The engine has got progressively noisier, with chronic piston slap (or a low oil pressure rattle) when cold, and lately an audible tick and rattle at idle. Of course, the MINI dealer can hear nothing. The only inconveniences I've had have been windows that didn't return up after closing the doors (sorted in 5mins with some great help from here - the dealer spent 2 days trying to fix it :roll: ), a broken clutch pedal return spring (went off with a bang that did cause a little a'hole pinching :shock: ), a flat tyre, but the run flats did their job and the car drove no differently until it was repaired, annoying lack of room and ability to carry passengers (well, it is a MINI), and lately the gear lever (manual) feels a little sloppy, and there's a bit of clutch shudder now and then. Tyres lasted around 40k (rotated at service) before all 4 were changed, and I changed the 2 fronts again after a further 35k (no rotation). I found when the fronts get to around 75% worn they are awful on wet roads. I've achieved around 6l/100km on average, with some trips below that. I've found the handling to be pretty good, but the run flats no doubt provide a harsher ride, and the car is quite a handful on some choppy roads - tramlining and bump steering - hitting bumps on corners at speed can be quite alarming at times, and if you haven't got a good grip on the wheel the car will dive to the left or right. Wheel alignments have been done and the tyres wear evenly. Service costs have been high - each service (20k intervals, which I can't help but think is too long) has been at least $600, the last with rear pads was $900, and we have even been charged $25 "to read which service is due" - um, unreasonable, and was protested to no avail.
But, all in all it's been fun, reliable and worthwhile. With some concerning engine rattles, and 12mths of warranty left, we think now is the best time to get into a new car.

Enter the test drive of the Cooper D - the logic being that a diesel will have longetivity and more economy, still have the cool looks and appeal, and last me 5years.
I'll tell you now I'm not a big fan of diesels, but have an open mind. This car was what I call a slug around town - I found it slow off the line, a little noisy, and didn't "feel" like a MINI at all. I turned off the auto engine stop after the first set of lights - didn't like that at all. If I followed the l/km readouts to keep the comsumption down to single figures, and changed gears when the little indicator told me to, I was being dragged off by buses and double Bs and was in 5th gear at 50kph - very busy, and dead boring. "Normal" driving produced figures of up to 14l/100km! I understand that is only under acceleration, but the petrol car never went that high, and of course was a lot "zippier". On the freeway, the torque was impressive and acceleration in the mid range quite good, but a heavy foot when overtaking gave very high fuel usage readings. On overrun downhill, we detected diesel fumes in the cabin - something I hate. The whole time we were on the drive we were saying "why would you ruin a MINI like this". Of course, we understand "why", and there are many who will find them not "ruined" but just what they want, but we walked away shaking our heads. At about $41k on the road, we just couldn't see the value, and certainly not the enjoyment desired over a long ownership.

So, for what it's worth, that's my review of the 2 cars - I'd be happy to be in another petrol MINI, despite the lack of convenience sometimes, but we need a car that is good for 200k (5yrs for me) before it gives too much trouble, has some room and ability to tow, and is cheap (in comparison) to service/repair. Enter an SV6 Comm Sportwagon. Interestingly, the Holden dealer is giving us $2k more trade in than the MINI dealer, and the changeover works out to $5k better overall, drive away. I know it's a Comm, but hey, it's hard to say no at that, and it is after all, a business decision.

I'll miss the MINI and the attention it gets, the fun of driving it and the cool looks. Lucky the old '69 fills the gap!! 8)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:16 pm 
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I find your opinion the Cooper D interesting, I keep thinking of going to take one for a drive because I don't mind driving the odd diesel, well the multivan 2.5 turbo and the caddy 1.9 turbo I've driven I quite like anyway.

I'd been driving my MINI around on the runflats for about 18 months since I got it, and it never drove in a straight line regardless of road condition, was rough and bumpy, the steering was heavy and it wasn't real good in the grip department (as you say when worn out a bit, but they weren't great from the start I though).

After the Non run flats went on I discovered just how much better the car is.
Steering is lighter and responsive, I have more grip, less noise, less harsh ride, it's fantastic! :D


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Mate, take a D for a drive, I'd be interested in your opinion - you might have a totally different perspective to me, have much more of an idea what to expect, and therefore not be as disappointed as me. But I guess i was comparing directly to the petrol - you know, stepped out of one, straight into the other, and it felt odd to me.

I reckon you're right about the run flats - they are convenient, but not necessarily a good tyre. I had some horrible aquaplaning when about 50% worn, scary, so in the wet I used to tiptoe around.

Don't get me wrong but, I still like MINIs - they are pretty cool little cars.
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Its good to hear a real perspective. I was thinking of one for the wife once uni is finished.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:54 pm 
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peter1 wrote:
Enter an SV6 Comm Sportwagon. Interestingly, the Holden dealer is giving us $2k more trade in than the MINI dealer, and the changeover works out to $5k better overall, drive away. I know it's a Comm, but hey, it's hard to say no at that, and it is after all, a business decision.


maybe the BMW dealer knows what it's 'really' worth..... I reckon the commodore's fuel economy will blow your mind, it's a very clever thing they've done with the SIDI system


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I always have a chuckle when people talk about diesels , my 1989 Mazda Capella 2 ltr supercharged auto diesel uses a Comprex Supercharger , the most efficient supercharger ever made except for the Achilles heal , you have to decarbon the vanes every 50,000km's, decarbon the vanes you say ? , the main vane uses the exhaust to spin the vane and draw in the fresh air , three channels for exhaust three for fresh air , in the factory its designed to make 40psi but the diaphragm which controls the boost is changed for road use so it makes 9psi at idle 14psi at 60kph and it will hold the boost so it still has 9psi at 140kph, it does 0 - 100 in 8 seconds , even if you cane it the fuel consumption will never exceed 7L / 100km , on the highway it averages 5.5L / 100km, it even has a reverse beeper which only sounds inside the car , damn funny Japanese
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:40 am 
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simon k wrote:
peter1 wrote:
Enter an SV6 Comm Sportwagon. Interestingly, the Holden dealer is giving us $2k more trade in than the MINI dealer, and the changeover works out to $5k better overall, drive away. I know it's a Comm, but hey, it's hard to say no at that, and it is after all, a business decision.


maybe the BMW dealer knows what it's 'really' worth..... I reckon the commodore's fuel economy will blow your mind, it's a very clever thing they've done with the SIDI system


Having spent 10 years in the trade, I know the holden dealer would have had NO idea of its value, at first, because they had not traded one before - but i also know he spent a couple of hours chasing up prices from other dealers and "mates" in the industry. I believe they were on the money with it from the start (they came in at the price I expected, having done my own research), unlike BMW - makes a quick easy and happy deal without feeling like you're being screwed and having to work hard to get what you think you should, plus my company is a good customer of them. Plus they're getting some pretty heavy discounting from the factory at present (new model in Sept, very few changes) which gives them more room to move.
What kept my car's value down is the high k's for a 2 yo car - virtually double the norm. But with 12mth warranty still to run, it is still attractive to some.

Yes, I'm interested to see how the l/100k goes, the SV6 of course has the 3.6 engine, not the 3.0, so uses a bit more, but still comes in around 10l/100k - not fantastic, but better than some cars of comparitive size. And I drive pretty conservatively - er, most of the time. :oops: It produces 210kw which is not too shabby. And they tell me the new 6sp auto is pretty impressive. Anyway, it's still just a holden....... :wink:

74snail - that's pretty impressive for '89 - I wasn't even aware they did a diesel in that range back then.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:54 am 
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My mini uses around 10 litres per hundred kays.
And it's 98 octane too!

When my supercharger packed it in and the car was off the road I had a commodore for a few weeks: that was cheap to run!
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My 07 chili with JCW known as Tabasco is an awesome BINI

+'s
~40kms on std run flat rubber - still plenty of meat in em yet
54 sec short track Oran on the 4th lap (check some comparative times peeps)
currently 6.6L/100kms and im no miser
driven 5 times bris-syd (or syd-bris) with only 1 stop for fuel and munchies, no aches or pains
awesome wireless (thats radio not interweb geeks)
pulls chicks no probs

-'s
rattles in sunroof (I just open it most of time so forget when it goes in for service)
funny noise from cold in engine dept (always been there)
gearshift a bit sloppy sometimes but still better than your average rod change (l8 model clubby owners - you know what im talking about)
slower than my green mini (see sig vids)

I find the handling better than original and thats all that matters - comparing to other cars like commawhores is a waste - they aren't as fun and are completely boring IMHO

DOZ

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Enjoyed reading your report. I have not heard of anyone else putting that much mileage on a MINI in just two years. Amused (unfortunate choice of words) by the $25 charge for 'reading which service is due'. When you turn on the ignition that info is displayed on the odometer, although it can take up to 10 seconds to come on. So, with labour charges of $150 per minute it must have been a darned quick service for $600 including parts. :shock:
Been driving my '02 Cooper since new, have not found anything I would prefer to have until last week when I read about plans to release the MINI Coupe in 2012. Need to dust off the old swear box to raise some funds.
#@^~%i* cars !!! 8)

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