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 Post subject: Mazda 121 shade
PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:13 pm 
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Just wondering if anyone has thought about a conversion from a late 80's or 90 model Mazda 121 shade?
5 speed manual.
1.3L.
Free :lol: (that's the main reason why were thinking about it).
Anyone got and power and weight figures on these engines?

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 Post subject: Re: Mazda 121 shade
PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:22 pm 
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Our old '96 mazda 121 (Bubble) had a figure of 55kW but I'm sure the earlier ones would be under 50kW

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:23 pm 
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Engine Size 1.498 L / 1.323 L
No. Cylinders Four cylinder
Fuel ULP
Transmission Four speed automatic or five speed manual
Wheels Driven Front Wheel
Acceleration 14.5 secs / 12.2 secs
Warranty Three years, 80,000 km
Engine
Engine Type Four cylinder, in-line, SOHC, 16 valves
Capacity in Litres 1.498 L / 1.323 L
Induction Electronic fuel injection
Fuel Recommendation ULP
Claimed max. power 64 kW at 5500 rpm / 53 kW at 5500 rpm
Claimed max. torque 128 Nm at 3500 rpm / 107 Nm at 3000 rpm
Power (kW per 1000kg) 42.7 kW/litre / 40.1 kW/litre

Transmission
Type Manual / Four speed automatic or five speed manual

Wheels
Alloy Steel
Dimensions 5.5 x 14 inch / 4.5 x 13 inch
Tyres
Steering
Type Power assisted rack and pinion
Turning Circle 3.1
Turning Circle (measured) 9.8 metresm

Dimensions
Mass 970 kg / 910 kg
Length 3800 mm
Width (including mirrors) 1650 mm
Height 1500 mm
Ground clearance 140 mm
Seating capacity 5
Fuel capacity 40 litres

Towing
Max. towed mass (trailer plus load) 700 kg

NRMA Theft Rating
Points on scale 0 - 120 (high score is best) 22

Acceleration - Test results
50 - 80km/h 6.8 secs / 6.5 secs
60 - 100km/h 9.9 secs / 8.2 secs
0 - 80km/h 9.3 secs / 7.6 secs
0 - 100km/h 14.5 secs / 12.2 secs

Fuel Consumption
Best recorded during testing 8.1 L / 7.4 L
Worst recorded during testing 9.0 L / 7.9 L
Average on test 8.4 L / 7.6 L

Braking
Distance to stop (from 80km/h) 31.7 metres / 35.5 metres
Noise
Interior noise at constant 80km/h 71 dB(A)

& yea these things are FUGLY :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:02 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:25 pm 
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The engine and box is huge, as it's basically a Laser/323 motor with a smaller bore and stroke. Yuck.

Don't spend $5000 to fit a free but crap engine. Spend $500-1000 on a better engine and end up spending $5500-6000 all up and have a better result. IMHO of course.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:14 pm 
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yeah i wouldnt take out a 40kw engine to put a 50kw engine with a slower 0-100 time in. buy a vtech :lol:

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I think you can get better bang for your buck with another engine, even if you have to pay for it.

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meeni wrote:
yeah i wouldnt take out a 40kw engine to put a 50kw engine with a slower 0-100 time in. buy a vtech :lol:

Yeah but the Mazda is around 270kg heavier than a mini so the 0-100 would be a bit closer. Also 53kw is 73bhp so comparing that to a mini is a bit better to.
But if the engine is a big fella that will make the conversion much harder. Might have a closer look at the dimensions of it but it looks like bit of a dud.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:00 pm 
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Kennomini wrote:
meeni wrote:
yeah i wouldnt take out a 40kw engine to put a 50kw engine with a slower 0-100 time in. buy a vtech :lol:

Yeah but the Mazda is around 270kg heavier than a mini so the 0-100 would be a bit closer. Also 53kw is 73bhp so comparing that to a mini is a bit better to.
But if the engine is a big fella that will make the conversion much harder. Might have a closer look at the dimensions of it but it looks like bit of a dud.


73hp can be achieved by a warmed over 1275 no problems.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:26 pm 
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That 73bhp mini lump could easily cost 5k though, and it doesn't have a 5th gear :wink:
I'm saying the 121 is a great idea just saying it's a little better than a std mini. Extra 20hp, 5 gears, parts may be cheaper and easier to obtain and if it gets forced induction a replacement engine will be easy and cheap to get aswell.

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