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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:49 pm 
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Hey, Im bored and having a look around and ive seen alot of minis with the R1 engine installed with FWD. I was wondering would something like this be likly to get an engineering certificate at all in Aust.? Ive heard something before about not being able to put a motorcycle engine in a car due to emissions or something around there. Anyway i was yeh just wanting to know if anyone has been working on it or anything?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:48 pm 
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cant do it here, not yet anyway, because of the emission testing.

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here`s one i prepared earlier :-)

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ooops,,, sorry i forgot to clip the csrbon fibre body onto it for the photo :-)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:28 pm 
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lucky sob :P :lol:

btw matt, have you had a play in that yet, what kinda figures does it have?

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yeah, when we first built it we smashed the right peddle & launched it up my driveway & apart from the 40metre black marks, it made me shake a little,,, just a little tho :-),,, it`s 140Hp carb version (later injected ones are around 180hp-ish) & only weighs 190kgs all up,,, we have decided to turbo it , for a few reasons :-)

Have recently had talks with a few "Financial backers" (wealthy friends of mine) persuing the idea of making a jig to produce a quantity of frames with the thoughts of manufacturing a whole pile of them with 3/4 scale "clip-on" fibre-glass mini body shells in the hope that CAMS allow us Licence to create our own race series,,, very much like Phil Ward has with the Aussie Legends,,, it may be a pie in the sky at the moment but worth a tickle at it i reckon :-)

It`s a Dam Quick little thing i can tell ya!!!!!!!!!!! Power to weight ratio alone is mind boggling with the turbo engine :-)

But sorry to hi-jack the original thread question,,, :-) Just couldn`t help myself :-)

OH!!! & i`m talking with some wind tunnel people about some ground effects for it :-)
It`s a very serious piece of sh!t & extreamly cost affective, (not very expensive to build)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:24 am 
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damn that thing is sweet.... i memba that thread.... no idea where it is now....

how much has it cost you (if ya dont mind my askin...) if you could get an approval for mass frame build im sure many people (myself included) would be extremely interested in it!
As per norm matty, you have kept my head in the sky and always with my hat off to you!

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Matty,,, i havnt actually totalled it all up on this one , the metal (pipe) was about $100, the donk was cheap at $2500 (i bought 2 of em at the time :-) ) The diff & hanger bracket was a fair bit of stuffing around but now it`s all sorted i can produce them quite easy,,, The front & rear end wheel assys are just mini stuff,,, the steering rack is an American Formula Vee rack & costs about $250,,, the rest is just time fabbing sh!t,,, so build labour/time/materials etc isn`t cheap ,,, but i will cost it all up once the "CAMS Demo" car is completed because i actually have to do that for my Financial backer to respond with big wads of cash input :-) :-) :-) (hopefully)

I`m banking on some support (as in wholsale costs for bulk purchases) from the likes of koni or Gaz or Spax for shocks, & maybe Yoko or Dunlop etc for tyres, others for Harnesses & fuel cells & the like... "IF" it all comes to fruition,,, but that will be a little while down the track,,, i need to get over all this Bimmer Twinky stuff first :-)

I really need to build a 2-seater , just to take potential investors for a spin,,, like i said earlier,,, the power-to-weight ratio alone is proof of the pudding but a ride in one is just pure "Sh!t-your-pants" stuff :-)

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I could spend all night looking at that thing Matt.

Would you look to make the track width consistent front to back at some stage?

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just to throw a spanner in all the nah sayers, there are a couple of bike engined cars in NSW that have had to go through the emmisions test which is only a IM240 test which is done for free at the Penrith RTA, not easy but it can be done but you will need a good engineer to guide you through it all

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:31 pm 
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Hey JC,,, yeah i have 2 rear ends happening for this particular car,,, the narrow one (shown) is basically for motorkhanas,,, the wider longer one that i`m working on (that`s a joke really cause i can hardly get to spend any time on it at the moment) will be purely hillclimb/street sprint & circuit use,,, Those super lightweight carbon fibre wheels & KAD allot trailing arms & taking a hole saw to the front frame to swiss chees this one as well :-) & of course turbo charging in the new year, probably more like the middle of next year by the way i`m going :-(

The Kits i want to have CAMS approved will be the wide/long rear end

& Jon-feral,,, i`m glad you said that because as far as i see there really should be no problem with emissions with late model injected jap bike engines, the late R1 engines have a pollution control system incorperated & all you`d need then is a decent starter motor & a big battery for a reverse gear yeah? The only problem i have with these engines is the lack of any low down grunt,,, so a small turbo can fix that easy enough,,, the Suzi hyabusa 1300 is probably a far better bet for fitment into the rear of a mini tho,,, it`s already a pretty ballsy engine,,, i only picked the R1 because it`s the shortest avaliable to squeeze into the front of a mini & they`re everywhere & cheap as chips comparing,,,Oh & it`s a 998cc :-)

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:01 pm 
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feralsprint wrote:
just to throw a spanner in all the nah sayers, there are a couple of bike engined cars in NSW that have had to go through the emmisions test which is only a IM240 test which is done for free at the Penrith RTA, not easy but it can be done but you will need a good engineer to guide you through it all

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Sorry to be picky Jon but have they changed the fee and process from what you mentioned here or are you talking about something else ?

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Sorry people but the problem with bike engines is that they have never been required to meet emissions ADRs in Australia or overseas( so you can't even use overseas data to help), at the very least (and even in WA now) vehicles are required to meet ADR 39/01 which means the engine must come from an Australian delivered vehicle which meets that requirement and must run all the factory gear from donor vehicle or be tested to prove that it meets this standard either by having a IS240 test or a full test. 2 guys (Mackie Brothers) have built Hybussa powered Clubman sports cars in NSW and have got them registered but because of the bike engines had to have full emissions test carried out on them, cost about $7000 each car for the test which can only be carried out at a couple of places like Holden's engine plant or Ford, Toyota and Mitshubishi, I believe there is one lab that is private but not sure if it is in Vic or SA. Its not that they won't pass its just the cost of proving that they do and with mods like Z cars it becomes an ICV so is treated as a new car not a modified one

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http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15282

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:59 pm 
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No nothing has changed but the only state that has the testing equipment available to the public for free is NSW and only at 2 locations, in Penrith and in the city, yopur engineer and ythe RTA will set a set of limits to reach and it is up to you to make the vehicle comply. Now this would be viable in a front mount motor only as if you built a rear mount the car would then be treated as a ICV and have to go through all the testing related to a new 08 car including chassis testing with loading and twisting data and then all the other items including all safety itemsd and noise tests and now braking tests carried out with 10 full braake stops from 160kilos whish have to be carried out on a race track hired by you

Nothing is impossible but it does get very expensive where as a front mount is treated like a toyota replacement and they will make you get a IS240 test to make sure of the emissions, not easy, but not impossible if you live in NSw

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:10 pm 
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these guys are the pros at this kind of stuff, if its helps anyone for ideas? http://www.zcars.org.uk/

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:03 pm 
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Yeh ive had a good look at Z cars.
I was just thinking because the R1 is a 998cc, and its installed as a front wheel drive then yeh i thought it may be slightly easier to get it registered and road worthy. A bike engined car would be fun.

Oh ad yeh the little buggy thing looks like it would be a little bit of fun!!!!!


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"""A Little bit""" ???????????

ha!!!

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