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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:55 pm 
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Im thinking of doing a 12a rotary conversion to a clubman van , i know i can use a gearbox from a fwd mazda 626 , but after that it gets a bit confusing.

what drive shafts do i use? mini or mazda ?etc..
Or do you get them made to suit ?
And do you use longer diff ratio to suit the 10 inch tyre ?

Sorry if this question has been asked before but i couldnt find any info on this sort of thing listed in the other conversion threads.

any information would be great help

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:46 pm 
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I have heard of them but never seen one, or met somone who made one - thought they were just stories. Would love to see some pics and get some info on a conversion.

Anyone got any details on the Ford OHC 1600cc conversion - Visard menions them in his book - anyone got one or know anything about them?


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Generally most people either get custom billet shafts made up or as I did take the donor vehicles shafts and get them shortened and resplined, not a huge deal for a decent fabricator/turner. Should be interesting conversion good luck...

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So it's going to be FWD? correct :?

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 Post subject: Re: conversion questions
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:00 pm 
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64ap5 wrote:
G'day
Im thinking of doing a 12a rotary conversion to a clubman van , i know i can use a gearbox from a fwd mazda 626 , but after that it gets a bit confusing.
CHEERS


or a mitsu cordia apparently.

64ap5 wrote:
G'day
what drive shafts do i use? mini or mazda ?etc..
Or do you get them made to suit ?


You will need to have shafts made. Either the donor ones turned down or some new billets ones.

No engine conversion i've seen required the fitment of a taller diff ratio.

You won't upset too many people asking questions about rotars. Doesn't come up often.

Do you know rotaries are a tax on people who are bad at Maths?

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Yea, i thought this conversion would be something a little bit different as ive only seen 1 fwd rotary so far . that was built by a guy in NZ who used a mid 90s 626 wagon , so it was quite simple as the 626 bellhousing and the rotary have the same bolt pattern.

I did consider making it rwd but decided against it because would have to remake most of the floor pan , subframes etc...

With the diff ratios though, i assumed a diff geared to run 13 or 14inch tyres would be effected by running 10s as the diameter is smaller and there for lowers your ratio

Or do you run a bigger tyre on the front??


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Before you start you should look into the maximum size engine that you are allowed to fit into a Mini and then look at the capacity of the rotary. (clue, a 12A is not really 1200cc like a lot of people think.)

Mazda did built front wheel drive cars with rotary engines, they also built buses with rotary engines, which proved that Mazda can get it wrong sometimes!


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sorry off topic when mazda gets it wrong
Morris 1100 knows where im going here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Roadpacer

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ollie wrote:
sorry off topic when mazda gets it wrong
Morris 1100 knows where im going here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Roadpacer
Actually the Roadpacer could have been be a good thing. I think that they are lighter than the RX8. :mrgreen: (The 6 cyl Holden Kinggwood was about 400kg lighter than the Roadpacer after Mazda added a heap of electrical goodies like a fridge!)


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Yeah the roadpacer "Could" have been a good thing,,,, "IF" it were fitted with a twin turbo Keith Black 8 litre Alloy V8 :-)

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Yea , but the mazda spec charts and handbooks all specify a 12a as 1.2 ltr and 13b as1.3ltr ?
or do the road authorities class these another way due to having 3 firing faces in 1 cylinder ???


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13B is classified as being a 2600cc,,, not sure what they see a 12A as tho,,, i`m no rotor head but i like them alot,,, actually just helped a mate of mine buy a turbo RX7 with 420odd hp,,, very quick car indeed :-)

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As taken from the NCOP ---

"...The engine capacity to be used for rotary engines is twice the swept volume of all rotors (eg a 13B rotary engine has a swept volume of 1308 cc giving a 'capacity' of 2616 cc)."


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spraycanmansam wrote:
As taken from the NCOP ---

"...The engine capacity to be used for rotary engines is twice the swept volume of all rotors (eg a 13B rotary engine has a swept volume of 1308 cc giving a 'capacity' of 2616 cc)."
Therefore a 12A would be 2.4l(ish)making it too big to register.

Depending on the actual capacity of a 10A you may get away with one of those, but find a decent 10A now days.

Didn't Norton make a Rotary bike engine??? :shock:

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