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Author:  spraycanmansam [ Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:17 pm ]
Post subject:  5E-FE instead of 4E?
Hi guys,

Due to all the 4EFTE conversions flying around the place.. I've recently had the idea of sticking a 5E-FE 1.5L nat asp engine in my Mini K.

I'm pretty sure the only difference in the two engines is the block height.

I'm considering the 1.5 over the turbo 1.3 as I dont need turbo power and I dont want to upset the weight balance of the car too much with massive turbos and intercoolers, etc. I also think I'd have more clearance in a roundie with only extractors to worry about and not a turbo.

Would It be a matter of making up a similar subframe to the 4EFTE one and off I go?

I already have a place to do it for me and It seems relatively straight forward, just wanted to check there was nothing thats going to bite me in the ass when I bolt it in... :P


Cheers,
Sam


P.S: I also sized up the 1.5 twin cam engine in my Excel which looks like it would fit :D :wink:
Author:  spraycanmansam [ Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:53 pm ]
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Ok so I had another look at my Excel engine and I think it will fit nicely with some massaging... :twisted: I bet that has never been done before!

Its the 5E-FE or the 1.5 Alpha... :?
Author:  rad97 [ Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:19 pm ]
Post subject:  exel engine
If your talking about the exel engine not the toyota engine the exel has a massive gearbox I doubt you will have the room.
Author:  spraycanmansam [ Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:21 pm ]
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Length-ways I think its fine, its just where the driveshafts come out looks rather huge... :?
Author:  spraycanmansam [ Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:32 pm ]
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Actually the more I think about it, the more I like it! :D

Imagine...

You just got wasted by a Mini AND a Hyundai.. the ultimate shame! :P :lol: :wink:
Author:  rad97 [ Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:41 pm ]
Post subject:  exel engine
I am still partial to the G13b suzuki twin cam engine revability and reliabilty.
Author:  slinkey inc [ Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:57 pm ]
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G13b are hard to find. Nice little motor but how much better are they than a nicely built up A series?

The ultimate atmo engine would have to be a Honda Vtec, the best being the K series. 2.0L or 2.2L. They have some on the road in USA, and dam, they go hard.

Or I guess a B18 would be fun, not quite as much go as K series but still, more thna enough power! :twisted:
Author:  rad97 [ Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:44 pm ]
Post subject:  engine
they are heaps better standard than a A series built up 100hp ozzy delivered model with 110 hp jap spec plus plenty of performance mods available a mate had a 1310 worked a series I had a standard g13b fuel injected motor left him for dead in all ways take off top end and fuel efficient plus 5 speed standard high tech motor for it day .
Author:  gzeVan [ Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:46 pm ]
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5e-fe has a much larger inlet track and plenum - big enough to force you to go custom $$
Author:  drmini in aust [ Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: engine
rad97 wrote:
they are heaps better standard than a A series built up 100hp ozzy delivered model with 110 hp jap spec plus plenty of performance mods available a mate had a 1310 worked a series I had a standard g13b fuel injected motor left him for dead in all ways take off top end and fuel efficient plus 5 speed standard high tech motor for it day .

My mate at work had a stocko G13B bought new.
My 100HP+ modified 1310S used to waste him off the mark to 100KMH at least.
At 100,000 km, his gearbox was toasted- the bearings were shot. :cry:
I like Suzukis too, great motor but I think the gearbox is marginal. This is not an isolated problem he had.
Author:  slinkey inc [ Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:53 pm ]
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G13b sounds like a nice motor, but I think my mini would put out more atws power on a dyno than a Suzuki GTi, not mention my mini is lighter.

But then again, my mini's boosted, so it's a little unfair.

I just don't think a G13b conversion is justified, when a 4EFTE or B16/B18, are so much better.

You could always turbo a G13b though.... that would be fun. :twisted:
Author:  rad97 [ Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:36 pm ]
Post subject:  g13b
G13b turbo 123 kws at wheels only gearbox trouble when you flat shift and take off using 4500 rpm launches . stock engine turbo charged.
Broke one then replaced with cino box all good so far.

then they start breaking .

the motor weighs 60 kilos and gearbox probably another 20 .

light good power pack but yes the toyota starlet motor is the next generation of performance. And readily available.

By the way I have a GTI Turboed aswell ....
Author:  Mini Mad [ Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 5E-FE instead of 4E?
spraycanmansam wrote:
I dont want to upset the weight balance of the car too much with massive turbos and intercoolers, etc.


You don't want to upset the weight balance of the car..but you want to stick a 1.5L motor in?

The 4EFTE retains about the exact same weight as an A-series does - My Clubby weighs exactly 700kg with 4EFTE engine and that's about the same as it weighed from the factory...
Author:  dove grey 64 [ Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:38 pm ]
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mini's arnt balanced that great to begin with, they are front heavy. and i agree with mini mad on the weight of the engine.
Author:  spraycanmansam [ Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 5E-FE instead of 4E?
Mini Mad wrote:
spraycanmansam wrote:
I dont want to upset the weight balance of the car too much with massive turbos and intercoolers, etc.


You don't want to upset the weight balance of the car..but you want to stick a 1.5L motor in?

The 4EFTE retains about the exact same weight as an A-series does - My Clubby weighs exactly 700kg with 4EFTE engine and that's about the same as it weighed from the factory...


An alloy 1.5L. It would weigh the same or less as a cast-iron A-series.

I only want to match or have even less weight in the front than a good A-series. And the way I'm going to add more power to my A-series is by a supercharger, so you have to take into account the added weight from those things also.

A 4efte would be nice :D, and I have by no means discounted it as I can get one for $1600. I'm just trying to figure out whether I can cram it all in there neatly. The only one i've seen done nice and neat in a roundie is a creamy looking one :)
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