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| Author: | collins [ Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Suzuki alto 4wd turbo |
Hi all, Before deciding to get back into mini's, I was going to rebuild a fiat500 bambina using the drive train from a suzuki alto works 4wd turbo as it was the same track width and same wheel base. No that I am happily getting back into mini's, what do you think of a transplant of the Alto Works into a mini? I think it would go off its tits... Scuse the expression. 
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| Author: | JC [ Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:15 pm ] |
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I agree, off it's tits! |
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| Author: | Mini Mike [ Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:46 pm ] |
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I think it would be a fun idea.... But boy O boy the work in it would be huge.. Imagin all the work in the floor? Doing the tranny tunnel and all the hanging points bolt up points yadda yadda ydaa the list goes on... I think its a great idea but like I said the work in the floor alone would be huge.. Go for it be sure to take pics as you go and plenty of how toos .. Thanks Colins |
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| Author: | madmorrie [ Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Suzuki Alto |
Interesting idea. But would it not be easier to graft on a mini body to the Alto chassis. Surely an equal amount of work would be involved... Then again, you can get fibreglass kits for some of the kei class cars to make them look like the original minis anyway. Not to discourage you, I'd love to see the result! Madmorrie |
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| Author: | bnicho [ Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:30 pm ] |
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Since you wouldn't be retaining the subframes at all, it would probably be considered an ICV - Individually Constructed Vehicle. Therefore it would need to meet current ADR's for a 2007 vehicle. Which means a lot of hassle and money. 
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| Author: | simon k [ Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:10 pm ] |
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I was gonna do one of those, but decided 650cc's wasn't enough - 1600cc honda awd for me
it's a pretty normal conversion job, but a custom backend - no putting the mini body on a suzuki chassis, bugger that |
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| Author: | collins [ Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:54 am ] |
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skssgn wrote: I was gonna do one of those, but decided 650cc's wasn't enough - 1600cc honda awd for me
it's a pretty normal conversion job, but a custom backend - no putting the mini body on a suzuki chassis, bugger that Power to weight ratio of the 650 shouldn't be underestimated, I have seen an alto works clean up a supra and sti impeza in town, it was modded to the max, but then again so was the sccoby & the supra
I don't think the alto works is much diferent in weight to the mini, so there could be some fun there. |
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| Author: | collins [ Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:56 am ] |
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bnicho wrote: Since you wouldn't be retaining the subframes at all, it would probably be considered an ICV - Individually Constructed Vehicle. Therefore it would need to meet current ADR's for a 2007 vehicle. Which means a lot of hassle and money.
Why wouldn't you use the subfames and retain the mini geometry? There is no reason not to, it all fits within the inner gaurds, and is very close to the same wheel base and track width.  I have gone down the rout of ICV doing the clubman before, so I know what is involved there, but because I would look at it by keeping the suspension geometry and subframe structure, there are less hasles.
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| Author: | collins [ Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Suzuki Alto |
madmorrie wrote: Interesting idea. But would it not be easier to graft on a mini body to the Alto chassis. Surely an equal amount of work would be involved...
Then again, you can get fibreglass kits for some of the kei class cars to make them look like the original minis anyway. Not to discourage you, I'd love to see the result! Madmorrie Grafting the mini body onto the Alto works pan is definately not easier, I did investigate this when I was looking at doing this for the bambina. Marrying up parts is always harder than fabricating from scratch. I have never seena kei kit that makes them into a mini, and not heard of them either. Besides, the suzuki alto turbo works 4wd never came to Australia, the only way to get one here is half cut with running gear at the rear. The Alto is here, but is drastically diferent to the works internally. |
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| Author: | bnicho [ Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:10 am ] |
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collins wrote: bnicho wrote: Since you wouldn't be retaining the subframes at all, it would probably be considered an ICV - Individually Constructed Vehicle. Therefore it would need to meet current ADR's for a 2007 vehicle. Which means a lot of hassle and money. Why wouldn't you use the subfames and retain the mini geometry? There is no reason not to, it all fits within the inner gaurds, and is very close to the same wheel base and track width. I have gone down the rout of ICV doing the clubman before, so I know what is involved there, but because I would look at it by keeping the suspension geometry and subframe structure, there are less hasles. You could probably retain a chunk of front subframe, but how are you going to retain the rear one and still incorporate the AWD bits? You would need to replicate the 4x4 Moke prototype rear end I guess. That's what skssgn is doing, I think? Yes, you could probably avoid ICV. BTW: Cutting the body of the Alto floor and substituting a Mini or Moke body is still considered an ICV. I've already enquired about a similar conversion. But if you use a full chassis donor it can be done though. eg: Take a Suzuki Sierra chassis and put a Moke body on top. |
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| Author: | collins [ Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:14 am ] |
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Mini Mike wrote: I think it would be a fun idea.... But boy O boy the work in it would be huge.. Imagin all the work in the floor? Doing the tranny tunnel and all the hanging points bolt up points yadda yadda ydaa the list goes on... I think its a great idea but like I said the work in the floor alone would be huge..
Go for it be sure to take pics as you go and plenty of how toos .. Thanks Colins I have seen pics of the setup of a 4wd mini, and it doesn't need any work on the pan, the tunnel is large enough to accomidate the prop shaft and exhaust including hand brake cable. A modified rear subframe would be the go to hang a live axle as it isn't IRS, but... I would love to have IRS on the rear end of the mini, it would be worth investigating rear diff options that are small and of the right ratio. It would be no diferent to me making the wishbones for the clubman in this case, or go trailing arm setup... Would have to work it out properly, but I don't know, it is all thoughts at the moment, but that is where wild projects start. |
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| Author: | awdmoke [ Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:35 am ] |
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Definately do-able, and there are soooo many options for the rear end. Any small IRS setup can be used, just need to pick one that is the lightest & needs the minimum of modification. |
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| Author: | simon k [ Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:38 am ] |
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collins wrote: I have seen pics of the setup of a 4wd mini, and it doesn't need any work on the pan, the tunnel is large enough to accomidate the prop shaft and exhaust including hand brake cable.
can you share these pictures? the 2 conversions I have seen have either widened the floor or put the exhaust under the floor and poked it out the side. The factory moke has a very skinny tailshaft (actually using a mini driveshaft for the first part of it - serious!) and a skinny exhaust |
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| Author: | collins [ Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:24 am ] |
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I will try find some pics for you, have them somwhere...
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| Author: | awdmoke [ Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:50 am ] |
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Like the Ringmini pickup? http://www.ringmini.de/English_Version/My_Minis/my_minis.html |
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