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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:34 am 
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ok...here it is guys...i am at the point where having this kit would probably be useful...i am looking at purchasing the following:

-set of hi-los
-set of street springs to fit to hi-los (http://www.minimania.com/web/Item/C%2DSRP100/AddedFrom/CatBrowse%2D%20SUSPENSION/InvDetail.cfm)
-adjustable lower arms (http://www.minimania.com/web/Item/C%2DAJJ3360/AddedFrom/CatBrowse%2D%20SUSPENSION/InvDetail.cfm)
-heavyduty adjustable tie rods
-uprated upper arms of some sort
-spax non-coilover adjustable gas shockers

what are your thoughts? where can i get these locally? how much is all this gonna cost? just for the front end mind you...havent really decided whats happening in the rear yet...would like to not have to spend more than $2000 on bits...dunno if that's possible...

but anyway...advice appreciated...

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Good idea having plenty of adjustment if your doing a conversion even using a jig the subframe could be just a tad out but you would have all area's covered with that setup

Ive done very little cutting to my subframe and am only using hilows with standard tie rods and control arms (its actually what im doing at the moment) + i cant afford the good bits at the moment (wife is due for our baby this week)

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Good idea having plenty of adjustment if your doing a conversion even using a jig the subframe could be just a tad out but you would have all area's covered with that setup

Ive done very little cutting to my subframe and am only using hilows with standard tie rods and control arms (its actually what im doing at the moment) + i cant afford the good bits at the moment (wife is due for our baby this week)


yeah thats what i am worried about...small inaccuracies leading to BIG handling flaws...hence adjustable and heavy duty everything...

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I also bought polyurethane bushes this morning for the lower control arms and tie rods there way better than the rubber ones

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I also bought polyurethane bushes this morning for the lower control arms and tie rods there way better than the rubber ones


better than the nolothane ones?

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Sorry not sure ive heard of nolothane ones but this is what i got from my suspension mob when i ask for something better than rubber

the pack says super pro by Fulcum spf1290k maybe someone has tried these and could give a comparison

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Was there a reason you were going for the coil spring replacements for the rubber cones :?: If I remember correctly in a previous dicussion reported overseas experience with then wasn't good :(

here's the thread:
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4185&highlight=coil+spring
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10444&highlight=coil+spring

and the previous topic you had on them...
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16226&highlight=coil+spring for other's reference.

Is this a try it and see thing cause it seems like a bit of money to spend when your not real sure of the benefits. Maybe try looking at the uprated rubber cones Doc mentions :wink:

Of particular concern is reports of the coils falling out of place if you get air :shock: :o not good :evil:

I figure there is only so much room(travel) for the suspension component (whatever it may be) and the suspension has to have a comprimise between plush ride and not being too soft and bottoming out. So there are two alternatives start soft and very quickly progress to a hard spring (as you go through the travel) or start harder and have a less sudden transition to the harder string. I opt for the second alternative IMO this would provide more stable and predictable handling rather than having small bumps just sucked up and slightly larger bumps feel as though you have bottomed out. My opinion only :wink:

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inazuma_x wrote:
gzeVan wrote:
I also bought polyurethane bushes this morning for the lower control arms and tie rods there way better than the rubber ones


better than the nolothane ones?


Nolothane = a brand name polyurethane :wink:

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fuzzy-hair-man wrote:
Was there a reason you were going for the coil spring replacements for the rubber cones :?: If I remember correctly in a previous dicussion reported overseas experience with then wasn't good :(

here's the thread:
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4185&highlight=coil+spring
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10444&highlight=coil+spring

and the previous topic you had on them...
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16226&highlight=coil+spring for other's reference.

Is this a try it and see thing cause it seems like a bit of money to spend when your not real sure of the benefits. Maybe try looking at the uprated rubber cones Doc mentions :wink:

Of particular concern is reports of the coils falling out of place if you get air :shock: :o not good :evil:

I figure there is only so much room(travel) for the suspension component (whatever it may be) and the suspension has to have a comprimise between plush ride and not being too soft and bottoming out. So there are two alternatives start soft and very quickly progress to a hard spring (as you go through the travel) or start harder and have a less sudden transition to the harder string. I opt for the second alternative IMO this would provide more stable and predictable handling rather than having small bumps just sucked up and slightly larger bumps feel as though you have bottomed out. My opinion only :wink:


i see...

these prolly wouldnt fall outta place: http://www.minimania.com/web/Item/C%2DSRP004/AddedFrom/CatBrowse%2D%20SUSPENSION/InvDetail.cfm

i dunno...i really need to know what sort of setup suits my needs (or wants)...what i want is a ride that handles like its on rails...has minimal understeer...and i am not overly concerned with ride comfort...if its pretty harsh then i wont be upset...as long as it handles beautifully...

i also want moderate bling factor...and modern components...and stuff that's gonna last more or less the life of the car...

i am possibly asking for too much at the sacrifice of too little :P

as for cost i really dont mind (within reason) as long as i am paying for stuff that gives me the above things...

any recommendations for the full setup? coz i kinda need to make a decision rather soon...so i can sortout what i am going to do with this aspect of the subframe...

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awdmoke wrote:
inazuma_x wrote:
gzeVan wrote:
I also bought polyurethane bushes this morning for the lower control arms and tie rods there way better than the rubber ones


better than the nolothane ones?


Nolothane = a brand name polyurethane :wink:


oh really? i was given the impression it was different :P oh well...shows how little i know :)

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inazuma_x wrote:
i dunno...i really need to know what sort of setup suits my needs (or wants)...what i want is a ride that handles like its on rails...has minimal understeer...and i am not overly concerned with ride comfort...if its pretty harsh then i wont be upset...as long as it handles beautifully...

any recommendations for the full setup? coz i kinda need to make a decision rather soon...so i can sortout what i am going to do with this aspect of the subframe...


As I understand Kazjim's turbo 998 had similar requirements, don't care about comfort but it has to go fast. He uses really tired rubber cones :shock: so I figure if you go for uprated(stiffer) rubber cones, hilos and good shocks you will be right.
Maybe PM Kazjim and ask what his experience is and what he will do next time round etc.

I don't know much about this stuff though just what I'd do with the dry setup. :wink:
These are only what I have read and opinions no personal experience. How do competition bump stops go on the rear of a dry suspended mini :?: do they help :?:

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On the topic of suspension. Is that you selling the hyrdo set up on the MOCQ site? If it is why are you selling it? Won't you need some subframes? Are you selling them because you think wets can't be converted to dry? Maybe some of the bolt on bits differ but I believe they are the 'same', structurally. I could be wrong, and I could be jumping to a huge conclusion thinking its you selling them.

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you can convert you need to drill the holes for the bump stops but thats about it

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You may be able to buy the coil springs from Glen Carpenter. He got a complete set from a Rover imported from Japan. Only got the rears recently so he may still have the whole set.

If you are modifying the sub frame (of course) I reckon the best option is to copy the excellent work of Con Torisi on GTI_mini's car (the yellow one in Perth). That car used the modern lower arm adjustment method of an eccentric pin. It is easy to cut the adjusters from a car at the wreckers and adapt it to the location where the lower arm mounts in the sub frame. Con's set-up used standard lower arms but had heaps of adjustment for frame inaccuracies and selection of optimum camber. I have photos I can send if my explanation is too crap.
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Ina,

Good setup.

I have read a few good reports from guys in the UK who are using them.

Add to this that there are different srping rates available, al progressive, should see a very flexible setup.

Make sure you get the best shocks you can afford and make sure they are adjustable for compression (some are adjustable for compression, rebound and damping)

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