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aaron wrote:

My take on this is if the law says somthing abide by it or face the consequences. You may not like it, but if you don't your not insured, simple as that. These Laws, although they may seem Beuracratic are in place for a good reason. Why complain about it?

Aaron

biting my tongue and explaining in the nicest possible way (without appearing to complain)

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any idea how many older cars/older marques there are out there, owned by enthusiasts :?:

most of these cars are considered "unsafe" by modern standards for one reason or another :!:

Guess what :idea:

people are still being killed behind the wheels of modern unitary construction, 6 airbag machines because people are still driving cars and mechanical devices or road conditions can still catch people out.

please get those simplistic, follow the law, coz it must be right, blinkers off and stand back and take a look around :wink:

there are litterly thousands upon thousands of Aussies involved in the older car scene....not to mention the rodders....

what you have also conveniently overlooked are the millions of Minis on the road all over the world over the period 1959-2000??

I for one will be bringing this little gem to the attention of the local Council of Car Clubs to lobby for common sense to prevail.

Cars should be considered in there entirety as a safety package, not just concentrating on the flavour of the month, hobby horse that some beurocrat has decided to push

Where are the engineers on Ausmini when you need them.....Jon :?:

Author:	Gordo [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:39 pm ]
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Hey guys and gals i had an engineer come out to take a look at my mini the other day and i found out a bit of info on what can be done and what cant be... Im going down the Turbo Suzuki GTI path into a 68 round nose van. Ok so first with the subframe... Where the bottom of the tower is (where there is no braceing now) he would like to see some braceing made from the bottom of the tower to the top rail, i was going to do it anyways, it does look a little weak. And an aftermarket ECU is "illegal" they are a straight up defect if they are fitted, but as if you would keep the stock ECU, so im choosing to disragard that bit... The wheel track can only be modded by up to 25mm, which is 12.5mm either side.. Also needs a colapsable steering column, and obviously being a 94 model GTI motor it needs to comply with that years pollution issues, and the exhaust db needs to be 90 db or less... There was a couple of other little details if anyone needs to know anythin else i might be able to help

Author:	9YaTaH [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Engineer Questions and Answers (some anyways)
Gordo wrote: Also needs a colapsable steering column, and obviously being a 94 model GTI motor it needs to comply with that years pollution issues, and the exhaust db needs to be 90 db or less... Hey Gordy....somethings not quite right there....if you are putting the Suzi into a roundy, then the age of the van should determine whether you need to have a collapsible column....cars not engineered for such a device could be more dangerous than the engineer thinks Question: Do even late model UK Mini's have collapsable columns

Author:	JC [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:45 pm ]
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I've been told the same thing by a few different people in QLD. Animal (Dean) was going to do a few. He said he was going to made to do the same thing. However, I do not believe any of the gti conversions done in qld have them.

Author:	Mini Mad [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:55 pm ]
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The steering column without a drop bracket, when in a crash fold up anyway?.. None of the guys down here have one as far as i am aware..

Author:	awdmoke [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:56 pm ]
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Quote: 9YaTaH No, there are new rules coming itno force ... and yes if you use an aftermarket ECU it must meet the emissions requirements (none of them are tested to it)

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Author:	9YaTaH [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:49 am ]
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awdmoke wrote: Quote: 9YaTaH No, there are new rules coming itno force ... and yes if you use an aftermarket ECU it must meet the emissions requirements (none of them are tested to it) This is bogus bureaucratic crap....what next...make all those evil A and T Model Fords safe by modern standards

Author:	marcsvenson [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:03 am ]
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so that is a yes to the collapsable steering colum if so whats involved in this i thought the mini one was allready

Author:	feralsprint [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:05 am ]
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There is a lot of talk about the new rules in the clubman sites mainly about engine comliance for new built cars form scratch, the rules for engine changes on old cars is staying pretty much the same in that it is a modified vehicle not a new car but it wil have to meet the emissions standard of the year of manufacture of the vehicle and if the engine was not fitted to a locally sold car they can make you have a IS240 test to prove it, as for the question of steering column give tech services at the RTA a call and check with them, every engineer is different and sometimes the only real answer is to check with RTA Jon

Author:	aaron [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:13 am ]
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My take on this is if the law says somthing abide by it or face the consequences. You may not like it, but if you don't your not insured, simple as that. These Laws, although they may seem Beuracratic are in place for a good reason. Why complain about it? Aaron

Author:	9YaTaH [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Bites Tongue...
aaron wrote: My take on this is if the law says somthing abide by it or face the consequences. You may not like it, but if you don't your not insured, simple as that. These Laws, although they may seem Beuracratic are in place for a good reason. Why complain about it? Aaron biting my tongue and explaining in the nicest possible way (without appearing to complain) .... any idea how many older cars/older marques there are out there, owned by enthusiasts most of these cars are considered "unsafe" by modern standards for one reason or another Guess what people are still being killed behind the wheels of modern unitary construction, 6 airbag machines because people are still driving cars and mechanical devices or road conditions can still catch people out. please get those simplistic, follow the law, coz it must be right, blinkers off and stand back and take a look around there are litterly thousands upon thousands of Aussies involved in the older car scene....not to mention the rodders.... what you have also conveniently overlooked are the millions of Minis on the road all over the world over the period 1959-2000?? I for one will be bringing this little gem to the attention of the local Council of Car Clubs to lobby for common sense to prevail. Cars should be considered in there entirety as a safety package, not just concentrating on the flavour of the month, hobby horse that some beurocrat has decided to push Where are the engineers on Ausmini when you need them.....Jon

Author:	manofaus [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:37 pm ]
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you will find that they year of the vehicle dictates the capicity of the motor that is allowed.. you knew that... if you go to a motor that is larger then the allowable size motor for that vehcile that it may have come out with in the same year then you will need (in NSW) a collapsable steering column, 2 speed wipers, heater/demister, self cancelling indicators, and brakes that are similar, if not better then the vehicle that they come out with.. the problem is that the largest motor that was put in a roundie in 1968 is...? I think less then 1l, but I am not sure. Since the 1300 gti motor is a large increase (percentages is what they go by) then you need all this stuff. One the other hand if you had a clubman the larger capicitly motor was installed in them from factory... 1100+ I am not sure, but I think this I think this is how they work it out. I KNOW that an EH holden has a motor of 3L capacity, I CAN put a RB30 in it. NO engineering requirements. I also know that I can't put an RB30 in an FC with out engineers certification (standard 2.6l) That is how I came to my understanding of how the rules work. Also with pollution it is up to the engineer and how they interpret the rules. If you read them (I have posted the link to this info before) you shall see thats how they can be read. They are engineers who will cover their own ass.

Author:	min13k [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:51 pm ]
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in 68 minis largest motor was 1275 but due to the fact that you are changing the structure of the subframe that is why you need a engeneers cert nothing to do with cubic displament to put the rb in you will need a engeneers cert because the engine mounts are nolonger standard ....... although you can put a 318 in a centura no hassles cos the mounts in the 6's and 8 cyl chryslers are all the same but you would be silly to run it with out upgrading brakes bla bla bla bla makka

Author:	Gordo [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:33 pm ]
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Also forgot to add, if you are adding a pod filter then it needs to be in an air box. And yeah the colapsable steering wheel is determined by the year of the motor in this case... This is where it all gets a little dodgy, wether or not to go by the year of the car or the year of the motor. And with an engine conversion you are limited with a formulae : In millimetres (cc) for a 4 cylinder car weighing up to 1100kg Origional Tare mass (kg) x 2.5 for a turbo/supercharged motor or x 3 for a naturally aspirated motor All info can be found at http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... i_dl1.html The formulae above is in the VSI 06 - Guidelines for light vehicle modifications (Apr 2005)

Author:	Gordo [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:36 pm ]
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And pretty much any modification by law will need an engineering report, even a sticker on your windows is suposed to be engineered...

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Author:	aaron [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Bites Tongue...
9YaTaH wrote: aaron wrote: My take on this is if the law says somthing abide by it or face the consequences. You may not like it, but if you don't your not insured, simple as that. These Laws, although they may seem Beuracratic are in place for a good reason. Why complain about it? Aaron biting my tongue and explaining in the nicest possible way (without appearing to complain) .... any idea how many older cars/older marques there are out there, owned by enthusiasts most of these cars are considered "unsafe" by modern standards for one reason or another Guess what people are still being killed behind the wheels of modern unitary construction, 6 airbag machines because people are still driving cars and mechanical devices or road conditions can still catch people out. please get those simplistic, follow the law, coz it must be right, blinkers off and stand back and take a look around there are litterly thousands upon thousands of Aussies involved in the older car scene....not to mention the rodders.... what you have also conveniently overlooked are the millions of Minis on the road all over the world over the period 1959-2000?? I for one will be bringing this little gem to the attention of the local Council of Car Clubs to lobby for common sense to prevail. Cars should be considered in there entirety as a safety package, not just concentrating on the flavour of the month, hobby horse that some beurocrat has decided to push Where are the engineers on Ausmini when you need them.....Jon After reading all that i still fail to see your point. The law is the law. Aaron