Thanks Josh.

We can lead a horse to water, but sometimes they just dont wanna drink!!

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teacher: Jimmy, your homework last night was to use the word "horticulture" in a sentence, can you read your sentence to the class please?
Jimmy: well, dad said "you can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think"

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ok, i know p-platers arent allowed to drive high powered cars, hence why it is in the decision process at the moment, and why i know i can't drive it on the road for at least another 2.5 years. and btw i do know when to stop. didn't i listen to all of you when you were telling me not to go the sr-20, and now i've gone for something smaller that doesnt put out as much hp?!?!


hence why i want to get into motorkhanas, and im a part of the mcc. i understand that, too much load and you can't absorb anything.


i must admit, i didn't think about that. i spose the wheels would just spin around.

i have driven a sr-20, and thats why i thought it would be an interesting idea. and instead of asking y, i asked y not.

i know how much fun a mini is to drive, and i want to keep it that way, hence why i have listened to all of you and gone against the sr-20. i respect and value your opinions and thats why ive taken them aboard rather than just pushing them aside.

i thought i said it was going to be converted to a rwd? or would a vtec be better left as a fwd?

i dont have time to be bored these holidays, i have the H.S.C. just after these holidays. and i've been thinking about this for a long time, and y else would i have said it was a n00b question?! i don't know about the sr16, i'll look into it abit more and find out more information.


correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the people of ausmini were here to talk about mini's and help others with their questions (aswell as various other things)???
And btw, ive only ever really considered the vtec, sr-20 or the bored out 1275 thanks. i was only asking if the sr-20 was a feasable option, and since it got shot down so quickly, i guess in hindsight wasnt a very smart idea.
thats what i was going to do slink, i was going to leave it down low and not rev it to the 'vtec level' for normal driving, and when i want it turn it up and rev it.

and btw
you not only want to lead a horse to water, you want to drown it aswell.
robbie

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^^^^^Good come back
I still reckon a mid mount, rwd mini would be awsome fun. IMO go for the most reliable and powerful engine (in that order) and like you said if you want to drive around town simply use low revs and when you want to realy go then you floor it
The best way to control bhp is through your right foot.

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Whoa now Robbie,

I wouldnt have spent that much time answering your posts if I wasnt interested in your plight - and I am, as are the rest of us, truly here to help. Believe that.

But, the last thing we want to see, is a young kid like yourself (no disrespect to young kids, Casey Stoner is a young kid!!) get wrapped around a pole because we told him to build a road rocket that he couldnt control. Honestly, I would feel like crap for the rest of my life knowing that I contributed to your death - you get my drift here.

Now there are some of us that have been into motor racing of some degree most of our adult lives that just want to temper that boyish (again, no disrespect intended) enthusiasm of yours with some hard earned experience of our own. I have nothing against young guys and fast cars, just as long as said young guys know how to handle said fast cars and where to handle them. My son who will soon be six will be starting out in J-Class go carts soon - why?, so by the time he is 14-15 and building cars of his own, I know that he has ten or so years of learning the craft of how to handle a motor vehicle, in any situation.

So I ask myself, how many years of motor sport have you done Robbie? If your answer is say, less than two, I would suggest you start out with something that you can learn to drive in, but something that is exciting, and also something that can grow in ability as you grow in ability. That is why I suggested the SR16 - today it may 'only' be 170hp, tomorrow I could get it to 350hp. But learn the craft first, become competent. Because its only when you are competent, that you become competitive!

Talking of Casy Stoner - started out riding 50cc dirt bikes at 7, moved to 80cc motorcross, then 100cc bucket racing. After that he started in domestic 125cc races, then 250cc domestic stuff. When he wanted to do moto GP, he realised that he just didnt have the experience to compete internationally in the 250 class, so dropped back to 125cc. To gain even more experience, he moved to Europe and got taught by the best, started riding with the best and learnt from them. He then went into 250 class and did well, then Moto GP 500cc and finally won a championship - but he didnt do it straight off. There were a lot of years of learning, watching, being taught and mentored to become competent. Even now he is still mentored by Mick Doohan among others, who in turn was mentored by Gardiner and Sheehan etc.

I am here to help you, and any other Ausminier that asks for it, and no, I am not interested in drowning you. But sometimes we get a bit sick of telling new members the same thing time after time, only to have them not listen, waste bucks, and then come back to us and say, 'Yeah, you were right!' Just remember, that a good driver with 50hp will always beat a bad driver with 100hp anyday, and a bad driver with 200hp everyday!!

Just as an example for you, Simon and I (Skssgn) are doing an awd mini project together - twice the grip! But we still want only about 200hp, as this is more than enough to propel a 650kg car to insane levels of performance. Josh's car will put out between 180-200 hp when its done, his car weighs 630kg - thats a power to weight ratio better than either an R34 GT-R Skyline, Porsche GT3 or Honda NSX. So, could you handle any of those cars at full tilt, I know I would struggle, and I have had plenty of motor racing experience.

I dont want to brow beat you into submission, I just want you to see the light, and be reasonable with your own expectations of yourself.

My $0.02 for what its worth.

Regards,
Tricky

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It's not about who has the best comeback. Take to heart what those that have been there and done it say.

Yes it would be awesome fun if you had the skills and or money to pull it off. I dont think it's such great advice to encourage it to someone starting out on their first conversion at that age not to mention the problem of getting it road legal if it is at all possible.



Yes true, but you're statement "i just want as much horsepower as possible" goes against that. We dont want to see you do something you'll regret later. Again our advice is free and you dont need to take it, but it would be wise to listen.



I'll give you one thing, at least you seem to take criticism constructively, i expected a much less coherant rebuttle than what you've provided and i applaud you for that.



it is true - 13secmini got into high 13's with 140-150hp atw. Double it and you will probably still be in the 12's.



Driving it in the car it was designed for is one thing, but it would be a very different beast in a car half the weight. Now i'm not saying you shouldn't do the SR20, but i think the way you are thinking about it is all wrong. You should get out and talk to people who have actually done and driven hybrid minis. Ask questions to them and go for a ride if you can. Later on lets come back to this after you have had some hands on experience and i guarantee your oppinion will change.



That's good to hear, i dont have anything personal against you Robbie, i just dont want to see you do something you will regret. Most importantly i dont want you to hurt yourself. We all are trying to look out for you.



As you're trying to learn, i don't think it's possible to simply convert a FWD gearbox on the B16 to RWD...There is a reason all the hotted up Civics are still FWD..

What i was talking to about making a plan was that even contemplating a RWD mini is a HUUUUGE undertaking. With likely firewall mods/repositioning not to mention the engineering and legality of it all. Which you should research before you even give it the green light and say "yeah, this is what i'm gonna do guys"



Sorry to disturb you from your HSC, i hope you do well. Yes n00b question which is fine. I think you just came across the wrong way possibly. I just said what alot of others were thinking robbie.



Yes, but you did not seem to take the advice that was been given all that seriously.

You weren't shot down for your engine choice, in fact im sure it would fit and be a beast. You got shot down for jumping in the deep end without learning some of the foundations first.

The B16A VTEC is a good motor, fun as hell to thrash, especially on track work but for street work all the smaller capacity VTEC's are a dog. As they say "All the lag, none of the boost" They're fun at first revving them around keeping them in highest gear ratio possible, but it get tiresome sooner or later and your left with a car that is rarely in it's powerband when you need it.

When fitting a B16A into a RHD mini the gearbox fouls on our steering rack . The gearbox is big and heavy on these as is the whole power unit.

No one here wants to drown you, i think your perfectly capable of doing that yourself

I'm only 22. I have grown up with cars and bikes, was riding around on farms as soon as i could. I have participated in Motorkhana's with the MCCNSW and i have done advanced driving courses with Jim Richards. None of this makes me perfect. I will tell you that above all AGE and EXPERIENCE is above all the most important thing.

Tricky has been there done that, we were all like you once. All young guys into cars are at one stage or another. It's where you go from here that matters..

I hope you appreciate the advice we are giving.

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Ok this is'nt my argument so I'll keep it as short as I can.
When I said it was a good come back I ment "good on you for not taking it to heart and for being able to reply how you/he did"
He may only be 18 odd years old now but would'nt that kind of build be much harder than the fwd option and their for take longer? Considering some of yous are still going on your builds years down the track, by the time it's finished and legeal he'd proably be in his early to mid 20's and by that time he should know to respect what powerful cars can do.
I'm not trying to chalange what yous are saying, I fully agree with what yous are saying powerful cars and inexperience is dangerous but I see nothing wrong with incouraging him, to me it looks like he is doing the "home work" needed to get an idea of what can be done and not just diving in the deep end with weight attached.

Look at what is possable, figure out if you can do it (legealy, fincialy and timewise), if after you've looked into it all and if you do decide to do a rwd 150bhp mini, good luck and enjoy.
My 2c

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Four pages! I should have just said it wasn't possible.

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But he's thriving and striving and hugging the turns.

well considering what josh and tricky have said, the sr-20 is not the way to go, as the wheels would just spin. i was only going to do a rwd conversion if the sr-20 was gonna go ahead.

the plan was to build up some skill in the motorkhanas whilst building the mini, and take some advanced driver courses after the hsc. so when the mini is built, i'll be able to drive it legally after my p's and i can control it.

i understand that you guys are sick of people coming in with these huge ideas, and then wasting peoples time telling them the same thing over and over again, only for them to have their head up their ass or in the sand (whichever you choose) and not listen to a word. but i'm serious about this, i want to do it, i've seen the kinds of success people have had with their conversions and i would like to do one.

what i meant to say with that "i want as much hp as possible" is that, for a 1.6L engine, that will give me what i need when i need it, and not because i wanna go round frying tyres. I think maybe part of the reason was my name on here "minidrifter", doesnt come across as someone who would take handling and overall feel too seriously i think you voiced about 99% of peoples thoughts on here josh
i think i've already drowned myself about 4-5 times over
i always wanted to get into racing when i was smaller, but harsh finance meant i couldnt. i htink its great your starting him at such a young age tricky, hope he does well. and i know what you mean by young kids, i constantly go off at other p-platers for being idiots on the road (even tho i am one myself)
i know that powerful cars + inexperience + wrong attitude = coffin bound

i appreciate all your advice and it will weigh heavily on my final decision, and i thank you all for the time you have spent trying to make me realise the different aspects of power, i know i can be as thick as two bricks sometimes , but i suppose that comes with all teenagers


thanks again, my mates trying to convince me to go a 4age, that'll start up some more conversation i expect
cheers,
robbie (btw i have nothing against any of you, and as josh said, feel the love )

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Hey man, don't be disheartend. Keep asking questions - thats the way you learn.

and I'm sure despite what they may say I reckon it got most of the guys here thinking of what is possible, and how things can be done differently.
Its all about pushing the envelope... thats why the first set of twin su's were fitted... to make mini's more fun!

"Ladies and Gentleman, I think we have a winner - Minidrifter, come on down"

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don't for get you're talking to the two owners of longest time near completed projects on ausmini..

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Who, Tony and JC??

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