The MGF engine isn't that bad is it?

They were said to have head gasket issues but steel locating dowells (my dad's diesel Discovery got these recently, he had a head gasket failure at 200,000kms, obviously locating dowells is a Rover thing) and fancy head gaskets.

Early MGF don't have particularly amaing power outputs though. VVC and later models get more grunt.

I've been thinking of buying anb MGF (saving up money at the moment).

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1964 Morris 850, 1330 Supercharged - 81.8hp atws.
1975 Leyland Mini S 1100S powered - Nice and reliable.
1977 Leyland Mini LS - Project LS-T

It cant be that terrible.. but I wouldnt stick it in a mini .. like they say... if it ain't jap.. its crap

Hahaha true.

Eitherway they are not very common here so not worth the $$.

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1964 Morris 850, 1330 Supercharged - 81.8hp atws.
1975 Leyland Mini S 1100S powered - Nice and reliable.
1977 Leyland Mini LS - Project LS-T

With the MR2 engine it is very heavy and I would have thought that it would have upset the balance of a mini. A 4E or 5E is much lighter even SR20's are still quite heavy. A small all aluminium engine would be good.
The MGF engine Rover K can be a bit unreliable but can also be fixed and make decient power but you wouldn't use one here when jap engines are far more common and easier to get.

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4efte powered Clubman
supercharged 998 race car

you'd wanna mid mount it not rear mount it wouldnt ya?

Sorry buit it was defo a Rover K series he was putting in: http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/viewt ... sc&start=0

I thought this might be useful.

Marco Gooyaers in the UK is doing a rear-mount MR2 engine into his Mini.

Personally, I like the way he has gone about it.

See here:

http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/viewt ... hlight=mr2

Further - the 3SGTE engine isnt much heavier than the 4EFTE, and I have seen these little donks produce over 700 horsepower. They are also considered almost bulletproof, and possibly one of the strongest engines ever made by Toyota. No wonder they use them in the Atlantic Championship Series in the US!

Cheers,
Tricky

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rather than the MR2 what about the Yamaha-designed 2ZZ-GE from an Elise? The 2ZZ-GE is an all-aluminum engine I think which makes it one of the highest performing engines available in its displacement class when power-to-weight ratio of the engine itself is considered. This would be ideally suited to the light weight frame of a Mini...

Could be expensive though... haha

have not checked the track, but using a Rover 114 frame (basicly the same as a MGF one) and the Rover wheels (185/ something /13) i need Sportpack wheel arches to cover them

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Rover 214 atm ....

I'll weigh into this debate too:

How about the 4age? very cheap & parts are easy to come by, plus I believe the early mr2s had mid mounted 4agzes? so you might even stumble across a rear mounted gearbox/drive shaft/ suspension set up!

also its 1.6 litre, so legal for forced induction.

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Toyota 4EFTE Powered Minivan.
102 Kw @ The Front Wheels....Oh What a Feeling!

I think the 2ZZ-GE is a Toyota engine with a Yamaha twincam head.

Series 1 Elises had Rover K-series engines so did the Series 2s up until the end of the production of the Rover engines then swap to Toyota engines.

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1964 Morris 850, 1330 Supercharged - 81.8hp atws.
1975 Leyland Mini S 1100S powered - Nice and reliable.
1977 Leyland Mini LS - Project LS-T

I think by putting an engine where it was not supposed it be in the first place would unbalance the mini anyway i would have thought

All aluminium is ideal.. but which engines would have an aluminium block? do Hondas??

The elise engine would be too expensive for my project..

I want to go for something bulltet proof.. like a SR20 or a 3SGTE which can yield very good power from stock engines
(all respect to 4EFTE still! )

How are Hondas with respect to power potential from a stock engine? (turbo'd ofcourse) I magine you'd have to lower compression etc

Tricky.. Thanks for the link for the MR2 conversion.. I had no idea MR2's had a subframe!
The only issue is that i would have to make up new bits for the suspension mounting points which using a MGF frame would eliminate

Looking at the pictures, both cars would have enourmous track! Not sure whether the MGF would be smaller than the MR2

Next Monday I'm going to see the engineer to talk to him about this whole project.. i'll keep everyone posted about what he says!

Cheers guys
pubs

Alot of the latest engines are all aluminium From Toyota ,Mazda/Ford and Honda many to choose from.
A 3sgte would have at least 40kg over a 4efte once you counted gearbox and all.
A 4age would be OK and a rear wheel drive gearbox is fairly easy to get hold of, but the lastest corolla engine would be better.

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4efte powered Clubman
supercharged 998 race car

I dont quite understand Ben, what do you mean by rear wheel drive gear box? I thought any FWD gearbox would do or am I mistaken?

What engine would you recommend Ben? (I might give you a call one of these days to have a chat if thats ok )

I was looking at a few 4AGZE engines + gearboxes from a AE101. They are good as some said, parts are cheap too to get some good power out of them.. but they are all steel blocks aren't they?

Can someone correct me If I am wrong.. but to turbo a N/A car, I would really need a A/M computer and another MAP sensor etc right??..

Of anyone has any other engine choices to put into the mix, I am willing to consider!

Cheers

Pubs

Hi pubs.

To dispel some myths.......

Yes, virtually any FWD engine would fit (within reason). This would allow the engine to sit forward of the rear axle line to move the CG forward. This would give the best results in terms of dynamic and static balance front-to-rear.

4AGZE would fit easily, as you would have a mountain of room to make it fit.

There are a plethora of engines from a multitude of manufacturers that you could take advantage from. Dont worry about if the block is alloy or cast, the weight penalty will be bugger all and the cast one will be a slightly stronger block.

Personally, I would stick with the Jappo donks from Toyota, Mistubishi, Nissan and Honda as they are readliy available, reasonably cheap, spares are easy to come by and they produce adequate horsepower for their size and weight.

I am doing a mid-mount 4G92 into a roundie. The engine is N/A, but produces over 175hp easily. More importantly, the engine was bought for a song!

Cheers,
Tricky

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