Bike engines arent emissioned. So to get one registered you have to get the engine emissions tested - really expensive.

Not entirely true!!

In Europe you can have a bike-engined car as a road registerable, emission compliant vehicle.

In Europe at the moment the emission standards are Euro 3/4 standards (2000/2005): Directive 98/69/EC, which are more stringent than Australian emission standard currently in play which is ADR 79/01 for new model light vehicles commenced in 2005 (although Australia is moving to implement Euro 4 for all vehicles).

The theory stands then, that if the vehicle is compliant in UK/Europe which has higher requirements for compliance, then those same vehicles (whether passenger cars, trucks or motorbikes it makes no difference) would naturally meet the current ADR 79/01

This is our argument.

We know that motorcycles are tested for emissions compliance in the UK/EU and they use whats called the World Motorcycle Test Cycle, which is used by the latest EU regulations Euro3/4 (this is why 2-strokes are no longer allowed as they dont comply). The following table shows the allowable emissions for motorcycles as it currently stands - comparing the US (Environmental Protection Agency) and EU -

On-Highway Motorcycle Emission Standards for EPA and EU
HC (g/km) NOx (g/km) CO (g/km)
1980 EPA Limits 5.0 NA 12.0
2006 - Tier 1 1.4 (HC+NOX) 12.0
2010 - Tier 2 0.8 (HC+NOX) 12.0
Euro II (2004) 1.0 0.3 5.5
Euro III (2007) 0.3 0.15 2.0

The problem is that ADR does not specifically address motorcycles whereby Euro regulations do.

The argument that we are putting to DOTARS is that if we can prove that the motorcycle engine is Euro 3/4 compliant (by way of letter from manufacturer or distributor), then all this BS surrounding emissions regulations is a mute point and cannot be used as justification for claiming the vehicle cannot be road-registerable.

This then leaves anly the engineering side to worry about!!!

Cheers,
Tricky

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Good on ya Andy, prove em wrong!

I'm waiting on a reply to an email asking for a definitive answer from the NSW RTA as to whether it's legally possible to register a bike engined car and what is required , been waiting a few days already though ....

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I asked and got a big fat "No" - that was for a homebuilt though - dont know about conversions. The reason stated for "No" was emission testing because a bike is categoriesed as not being emissioned tested for sale in Australia. If they were nearly all the two-strokes would be banned. If I could show emissions testing for a vehicle to a suitable standard that would do it, but none are installed as original equipment in Europe other than SVA vehicles.

I've used the example of a conversion into a 1965 mini deluxe with 998cc motor , see if there's any difference with an older built existing car .

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BMW sell bike engines with catalytic converters, you would imagine that these have been tested and hence would be a better chance of passing

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dont hold ur breath lol ive been waiting over 3 months for a reply

anyone know what an emissions test actually costs???

most of what I've heard is cars beyond a certain date dont need to comply with emissions anyways. conversions or otherwise. im guessing motorbike engines do not apply here. ie, my '76 mini didnt need emissions compliance even though motor was from 87 swift.

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West Aussie Mini Boys Represent...!!!

yeah mine is a 1971 Clubman and mine said the same thing, this also included running a cat converter...Still I am waiting for the moment when I get pulled over in one these randam car inspections and they try and ping me for a $3K fine for no cat. Even though I went over the pits three times...

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Would it be easier to get it engineered and registered as a modified Bike, rather than a car??

Pete.

PS: Being serious by the way... not sure what defines 'Car' or 'Bike' so this may be a better option

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Or an ICV? They have to have a Euro 3 complianced engine nowadays. If a certain bike has been tested to meet Euro 3 standards, it should be ok...

In theory...

Bike < 4 wheels (i.e. one, two or three wheels).

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Ok cool.. .so thats the definition according to the RTA's... fair enough, my idea wont stick unless you tell em its a siamese bike or a trike with a training wheel

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i think this is a really good idea, at least it keeps the fwd layout, any you can have a car with seats etc! stupid not having reverse though! how is that legal, even in the UK?

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