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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:02 am 
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Hey guys, i was looking at doing the G13B engine conversion and was wondering how much the whole conversion would cost including the halfcut?

Also do u have to custom engine mounts or anything like that?

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Cost is unique to what you do, what you want out of it and how much you do yourself.

You will need to fabricate a subframe including all engine mounts to suit the G13B (the a-series engine mount points will not work)

Front Cut ~$2000

You will need to upgrade your brakes. ~$1500

New radiator to suit. ~$50-600

Wiring.

Fuel tank for the return line for EFI

Fuel lines run.

Driveshafts to suit. ~$250-1000

Gear leaver mounted.

Guages to suit.

Exhaust made. ~$300+

You will need an engineers certificate for everything ~$600+

Suffice to say it will cost you more than $10,000 paying someone else to alot of the work for a basic conversion.

They are ALOT of work and not a simple, quick or easy task. Most people on here have taken over 2 years to get to a point where they can register one and after that there are always minor issues to sort out.

Read through all the build diary's and you will quickly see how much work is involved.

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Oh ok then well what about the 4EFTE conversion is this any easier? and would it provide a better outcome?


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sure, you'll have more power, same amount of subframe work (maybe a little more??? anyone else??)

but cost will be the same, if not a bit more for the front cut?

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mattsmadmini wrote:
but cost will be the same, if not a bit more for the front cut?


Front cuts for 4EFTE's are around $1600, all the places I rang didn't have any G13B's as 'they're too old' :(


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Yeah went the 4efte for that reason (lack of G13B's and the fact that even if you find one they will have done probably 250,000 so would generally require a rebuild so more money). The 4EFTE also allows more tuning and development potential IMHO. Costs are as stated. I estimate mine was around $8K but already had metro 4 pots installed so there the rest made up.

Alot of effort but if you are prepared to have a go the results will definitely bring a smile to your dial.

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blake12345 wrote:
Oh ok then well what about the 4EFTE conversion is this any easier? and would it provide a better outcome?


4EFTE conversion would be even more work, you have to worry about all the turbo gear then, custom manifolds if needed, intercoolers...

Much better motor, stronger gearboxes, plenty of scope for more power on any level.

Transplanting any non-a-series motor into a mini is going to be about the same amount of work regardless of the engine you choose. N/A motors being less work and turbo motor's requiring a little extra plumping and more of a tight squeeze.

The 4EFTE has a lot of advantages locally due to the amount of development done on here. If you were in the UK howerver the logical choice would be VTEC or Vauxhall 16V'ers.

Either way, they are relatively expensive for the amount of speed achieved when you're talking about bang for your buck, it is possible to go alot faster for the same money, but then it wouldn't be a mini.

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as minimad said, have a read of this forum and look at what everyone else has done and what's involved if you're serious about a conversion. if you have skills in welding, etc, it will save money.

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I got a 4EFTE frontcut for $1500+$500 shiping, a spare motor, gearbox +ecu for $700 (not as good as a front cut due to lack of wiring, gear shifter, etc etc, but not a big deal), subframe for around a grand, but that depends on who builds it (professional or mate from Ausmini), or even if you build ity yourself which will be cheaper, but very time consuming.

+ shell, + metro turbo brakes...it all adds up.

Still got drivesahfts (around $800) all the little and costly bits, intercooler, radiator, piping, brake lines.

Also my engineering will cost around $1500, for report and track test.

10 grand easy. Appart from the building of the frame I'm doing all the work I can and then some more.

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All that $$ and development and your still slower than the A series down the quarter mile!!! :lol: --- Peter Ducks for cover and gets reprimanded as he is a mod :)

Seriously, I would love a conversion, but they will set you back as josh and the others have said.

Even at $10000 budget I think you would just scrape in... I would expect it to be closer to the $15000 mark, because there WILL be some unforsee expenses.

If you cant do alot of the work, I would be looking at buying one that already has been converted... Dean's if you have the $ or some of the others for sale.

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a g13b would be significantly cheaper than a 4efte, try redlinegti.com,
should be able to get what you need easily under a grand.

the g13b is one hell of an engine with 75kw from a 1.3 N/A, and its reliability is awesome. , but its gearbox and clutch are not up to a lot of extra power without modifications... and its N/A..

still there is a huge amount of aftermarket gear you can buy for the g13b, not to mention the massive amount of australian tuning experience over the years, and there are plenty of places to take it for work or parts.


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Spaceboy wrote:
a g13b would be significantly cheaper than a 4efte, try redlinegti.com,
should be able to get what you need easily under a grand.

the g13b is one hell of an engine with 75kw from a 1.3 N/A, and its reliability is awesome. , but its gearbox and clutch are not up to a lot of extra power without modifications... and its N/A..

still there is a huge amount of aftermarket gear you can buy for the g13b, not to mention the massive amount of australian tuning experience over the years, and there are plenty of places to take it for work or parts.


I wouldn't say that the G13B would be "significantly cheaper"

I mean what it would cost $500-1200 for the motor? What are we talking here? Then you don't have the front cut with the other parts you need.

Also say an expensive 4EFTE is around $2000 - That's like $1500 saving which is nothing when you're talking 10k+

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All that $$ and development and your still slower than the A series down the quarter mile!!! :lol: --- Peter Ducks for cover and gets reprimanded as he is a mod :)

Seriously, I would love a conversion, but they will set you back as josh and the others have said.

Even at $10000 budget I think you would just scrape in... I would expect it to be closer to the $15000 mark, because there WILL be some unforsee expenses.

If you cant do alot of the work, I would be looking at buying one that already has been converted... Dean's if you have the $ or some of the others for sale.

Pete.


Don't mind peter he's bored :P

Go to GR and ask him how much it will cost to get 180HP and see what he comes back with :lol:

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im selling my 4EFTE for $1500 :D:D

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If you want a fast, cheap, conversion that will make you smile, then put a 4age (then add turbo) in a old corolla, or a ca18det/sr20det in a datto 1600. RWD too!

They will be quicker than any of the converted minis and probably 1/2 the price.

But its not a mini, is it??!! :wink:

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