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captainwaldopepper
 Post subject: SA Rego Problems
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 6:41 pm 
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Took the newly restored 1970 Mini K down for a Tier 2 number check today and they told me that i can't register it until I find the previous registration history of the car as they could not find any record of it ever being registered in Australia.
The car had no plates when i bought it and the member i bought it off also had no rego papers or plates with it when he bought it.
He has thankfully given me the details of the person he bought it off but if this turns up with nothing-how do i prove it's not "rebirthed" (as the inspector pointed out).
He also suggested i contact other transport dept. juristictions (NSW, VIC, WA etc) and ask them to search through the microfiche archives.
I rang the NSW, VIC and QLD transport departments and no-one had any idea about what i was talking about stating that they only had computerised records. I believe the car came from NSW, near Tabulam-has anyone on the forum either owned or know someone who used to own this car (pics before the restoration below, it's a Dec 1970 Jet Red Mini K, YG2S1 11077)
Does anyone know how to arrange archive searches from State Government transport Depts.?
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78Clubbie
 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 6:49 pm 
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Surely the compliance plate numbers are sufficient. "Should" have previously been registered with this info even if it was in another state.

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 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
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They're idiots, the car has a compliance plate and the numbers stamped on it which means regardless if for some bazzar reason it has never been registered, it still is registerable now.
I really loath trips to the transport services, dealing with people who don't even know their own job. I had one who told me I couldn't register a motor bike because it had no compliance plate.... it was a 1969 model, plates for bikes didn't come out till mid to late 70's.
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captainwaldopepper
 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:18 pm 
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The staff in the transport departments that i called had access to a national database that they can all search.
They all told me that neither YG2S111077 or 11077 comes up in their databases.
I also provided the engine number of the engine that was in it (which was a Moke 1100 and not original) and that didn't come up either.
I've now done a PPSR search for both numbers and again-no records come up for a Mini with those ID numbers.
Yes-Peterb, agree 100%-it's an unnecessary bureaucratic exercise that gives me the s###s but i will get there eventually!!

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 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:44 pm 
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captainwaldopepper wrote:
They all told me that neither YG2S111077 or 11077 comes up in their databases.

The widespread variations between the data entered in state registration authorities systems versus the data on an ID plate or body stamping have been reported on here many times. You could say that BMC didn't make life easy by having a model code that flipped between alphas and numerals for no apparent reason.

One way forward is to provide them with a list of possible data strings to search on based on the ADR compliance plate and the radiator shroud information. The obvious three in your case are a numeric 6 instead of the capital G, numeric 5 instead of capital S and capital I instead of numeric 1. Hopefully others reading this can provide more possibilities for the list.

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 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
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Another possibility is the engine number was used originally as the identifier. The VicRoads registration certificate for the Cooper S I purchased new in 1969 only has the engine number on it, no model code, chassis number or body number.

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 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
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captainwaldopepper wrote:
Took the newly restored 1970 Mini K down for a Tier 2 number check today and they told me that i can't register it until I find the previous registration history of the car as they could not find any record of it ever being registered in Australia.
The car had no plates when i bought it and the member i bought it off also had no rego papers or plates with it when he bought it.
He has thankfully given me the details of the person he bought it off but if this turns up with nothing-how do i prove it's not "rebirthed" (as the nice inspection man pointed out).
He also suggested i contact other transport dept. juristictions (NSW, VIC, WA etc) and ask them to search through the microfiche archives.
I rang the NSW, VIC and QLD transport departments and no-one had any idea about what i was talking about stating that they only had computerised records. I believe the car came from NSW, near Tabulam-has anyone on the forum either owned or know someone who used to own this car (pics before the restoration below, it's a Dec 1970 Jet Red Mini K, YG2S1 11077)
Does anyone know how to arrange archive searches from State Government transport Depts.?
Cheers
Dave


Unbelievably INEPT on the part of SA "authorities"....they should hang their heads in shame, as should the individual state "authorities" for not having a National database comprised of each state/"fiefdoms" records.

Microfiche? Ohhhhh it would cost a fortune to have them digitized and we don't have the budget!! Ohhhhh

WHEN IS AUSTRALIA (SORRY THE EIGHT SMALLER ISLANDS OF INFORMATION THAT MAKE UP OZ) GOING TO GET WITH THE PROGRAM?

Hello! if they can't find another match for the "VIN" than just record it and register the damn thing! :roll:

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try searching on Tabulum and Mini's for sale?

Look at Trove/newspaper archives for similar...and hope it wasn't a private sale.

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 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
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The widespread variations between the data entered in state registration authorities systems versus the data on an ID plate or body stamping have been reported on here many times. You could say that BMC didn't make life easy by having a model code that flipped between alphas and numerals for no apparent reason.


No excuse, databases can be purified and cross referenced etc to validate the data set...

If the "authorities" are so pure, perfect and without fault...how come a NSW Morris 1100 I once bought was listed as a trailer...in QLD! Pathetic! :?

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 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 8:58 pm 
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Ron Williams Mini Specialist Castrol
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Tenterfield, NSW 2372
Phone: (02) 6736 2043
Is 56Km from Tabulum, there is a small chance he may know the car...ask if you can send him pictures, same-same for Hays BMC Dealer...look for their adverts

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 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
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Thanks 9YaTaH
I'll give them a call tomorrow.
Much appreciated
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9YaTaH
 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:21 pm 
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Thanks 9YaTaH
I'll give them a call tomorrow.
Much appreciated
Cheers
Dave


Yeah-but, its a long shot if Ron actually saw it and not just the local garage...the car could have come from anywhere...even locally there is "Casina" to Evans Head etc the local papers may be searchable but really, try and find any record of work/invoice...have you looked under the carpets etc :idea:

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 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:26 pm 
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The local Newspaper may have run an advert for it...

https://www.northernstar.com.au/topic/tabulam/

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Can't you put it on club plates? Then transfer later?

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 Post subject: Re: SA Rego Problems
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drmini in aust wrote:
Can't you put it on club plates? Then transfer later?


Ummmmmm not really within the spirit of the Concessional Rego scheme Doc :wink:

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drmini in aust wrote:
Can't you put it on club plates? Then transfer later?


Ummmmmm not really within the spirit of the Concessional Rego scheme Doc :wink:

Well up here in NSW at least, you don't need a paper trail of rego to put a car onto club plates.
Are you suggesting we should still have this, after most states dumped previous records when they went to electronic databases?

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