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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:33 pm 
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One of the boxes I repacked while Phil was rewiring the granny flat and shed was a box full of used pistons.

Must have been around 20-30 of them.

So - I very much appreciate the offer - thanks - but no thanks..........


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Something like this...

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With a certificate stating that...
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"This piston is one of four used by Paddy Hopkirk at Bathurst in 1967"
(Limited offer, 40 only)


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Morris 1100 wrote:
With a certificate stating that...
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"This piston is one of four used by Paddy Hopkirk at Bathurst in 1967"
(Limited offer, 40 only)

Would have been a busy pitcrew! :lol:

I'm just enjoying following the history as it unfolds, I wasn't even born then!

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I just noticed the car is in The Mini Experience in the section about Bathurst.

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All i want to see is how this mini sits today not x amount of years ago considering this has alot of history/photo's/etc therefore in all its glory. I am more curious in knowing what has become of this little gem.


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OK people - "listen up" - etc


The body of the car is original and has not had any panels replaced. Mended yes but replaced no.

The engine in the car when sold to Paul Merry had the same engine number as the maker's plate. Paul had the engine "blue printed" but nothing more.

The engine number still matched the makers plate when I bought the car from Lindsay Byron. Therefore it is all here at my place.

Now just how much more genuine do you want?

As to Paddy (I hate saying "it" or "the car") I took about 30 photos of him today (though that did include some of Wendy too as they are side by side). These included both inside and outside.

But................

You are not going to see them - not until Paddy (ie me) is ready.

Bob Holden will be here at 9am in the morning. How could I deny his request to come and have a look? Besides he is going to help in my quest for more information and also wants to help me in any other way he can.

Stay tuned for more episodes..................(mutter, mutter, mutter - sounds like a soap opera)


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Let's hope this doesn't turn into a Carter_GT thread with the retention of the photos.

I, for one, am looking forward to seeing the condition of it.
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I am only withholding current photos because my "advisers" have said that first impressions count and Paddy has been sitting in a shed for 23+ years.

He needs to come out, have a general all round clean up, get his tyres pumped up, etc, etc.

On the other hand as much as today made me feel a bit sad (when I reviewed the photos - the first taken in a very long time) he is in a much better state than could be expected after that number of years.

Let me see what "my advisers" (two very good friends and my son) plus Bob Holden have to say and maybe I will post a couple of photos somewhere.

In the fullness of time I'm sure the whole saga will be documented somewhere.

If this a soap opera then Paddy is the star and I am the director, editor, producer, and whatever else..............

Don't forget - he can always go back into "retirement".


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Maybellene wrote:
I am only withholding current photos because my "advisers" have said that first impressions count and Paddy has been sitting in a shed for 23+ years.

He needs to come out, have a general all round clean up, get his tyres pumped up, etc, etc.


can i come and clean him and pump the tyres up.
free of course :D

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Maybellene, in my opinion you are doing the right thing.
Don't let anyone pressure you and don't do anything in a rush.


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Maybellene wrote:
I am only withholding current photos because my "advisers" have said that first impressions count and Paddy has been sitting in a shed for 23+ years.

He needs to come out, have a general all round clean up, get his tyres pumped up, etc, etc.

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Don't forget - he can always go back into "retirement".


Hi Maybellene,
Fantatsic to see you have kept the car all this time and i feel you are going about the sale in the right way. People such as Bob Holden are involved in the Group C Association and as a member I can tell you that authenticity is very key to this group.

Could I suggest , if not too late that you dont 'clean up' Paddy if she has been sitting for awhile. You may accidentally remove or damage something key to the car. My car has a feint impression in the acrylic paint from one of the original stickers from its Bathurst livery. The car sat for 20 years untouched. Also it has small marks and nicks and some inner panel damage and I can tell you how every one of them occurred. As its being lighlty restored I will leave the evidence of this damage and as much of its original patina as possible while still presenting a nice car to race.

Just something to consider because a genuine buyer will have no regard for how 'clean' the car is , only how much originality it retains. While you say you repainted the green on her I would check for holes where the original straps front and rear were and any other anomolies particular to that car.

Some of my most prized photos of my car are of it sitting in the exact place where it lay for 20 years dust and all!

Hope this helps.

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People such as Bob Holden are involved in the Group C Association and as a member I can tell you that authenticity is very key to this group.


Just so that no one gets confused, Paddy is/was a production racer likely to be eligible for Group Nb (post 1964).

May...do you have any racing documentation for the car??

A Certificate of Description or CAMS Log Book?? (sit down Morris1100!! :lol: )

If so...these will add value and help to show the provenance of the car.

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9YaTaH wrote:
bent65 wrote:
People such as Bob Holden are involved in the Group C Association and as a member I can tell you that authenticity is very key to this group.


Just so that no one gets confused, Paddy is/was a production racer likely to be eligible for Group Nb (post 1964).

May...do you have any racing documentation for the car??

A Certificate of Description or CAMS Log Book?? (sit down Morris1100!! :lol: )

If so...these will add value and help to show the provenance of the car.

The car is already eligible for group Nb and Group Nc. You don't need race history or the C.O.D or old log book for Group N.
The C.O.D. is a fairly new invention designed to extract more cash for CAMS so there is no possible way that this car would ever have had one.
I am not sure if they even had log books in 67.


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9YaTaH wrote:
bent65 wrote:
People such as Bob Holden are involved in the Group C Association and as a member I can tell you that authenticity is very key to this group.


Just so that no one gets confused, Paddy is/was a production racer likely to be eligible for Group Nb (post 1964).

May...do you have any racing documentation for the car??

A Certificate of Description or CAMS Log Book?? (sit down Morris1100!! :lol: )

If so...these will add value and help to show the provenance of the car.


Sorry didnt want to cause a s..... storm on Mays thread but a CofD is a document created in recent years and issued by CAMS Historic Commission at their discretion to prove a vehicle has satisfied the strict requirements of this process , authenticity/provenance etc.
A log book is issued to a car eligible to race in a racing category, in this instance may be group nc (64-72). Interestly the car would have no cage and would need one. ( this is a whole other argument of what spec cage etc. not for this thread).
The group C association is the group that handles most of the authenticity/eligibility of historic touring cars with competition history. They also look after historic group A but they still have the name Group C Assoc.

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Morris 1100 wrote:
9YaTaH wrote:
bent65 wrote:
People such as Bob Holden are involved in the Group C Association and as a member I can tell you that authenticity is very key to this group.


Just so that no one gets confused, Paddy is/was a production racer likely to be eligible for Group Nb (post 1964).

May...do you have any racing documentation for the car??

A Certificate of Description or CAMS Log Book?? (sit down Morris1100!! :lol: )

If so...these will add value and help to show the provenance of the car.

The car is already eligible for group Nb and Group Nc. You don't need race history or the C.O.D or old log book for Group N.
The C.O.D. is a fairly new invention designed to extract more cash for CAMS so there is no possible way that this car would ever have had one.
I am not sure if they even had log books in 67.

The car is not automatically eligible as it doesnt have a 5th category log book and would need to satisfy safety regs to get one.
Correct on most parts of Cof D however it is designed to extract money whilst separating the real cars from the 'real cars' restored from a right hand front hub from jim richards ATCC winning M3! This process also protects the owners of real cars from having to race against all 7 '1977 Bathurst' winning Ford coupes. (sarcasm)
I strongly believe Mays car is real! An old log book falling off the face of the earth doesnt suddenly mean Brian Foley and Paddy didnt race a motor car at Bathurst in 67', it just means the logbook for the car they raced is no longer around.

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