I agree. I think Karcraft is refuting the statement that "all points are made in China".

Perhaps a clearer response is for Karcraft to state which countries the points they purchase are sourced from, and their opinion on the quality of each. This might help others avoid the situation being discussed which will benefit Mini enthusiasts.

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My statement was not that all points are made in China.
It was that all the points of the inferior type, shown by both phil 850 ana myself are made in china regardless of what box they are supplied in. I have had bosch boxes with them in as well as lucas boxes. For reference these are the INFERIOR type also showing how they failed



Hope this makes it clearer.

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@Phil850
If good points are fast becoming unobtainium why not convert your dizzy to electronic?
I've had good results with both Powerspark and Accuspark supplied kits.
Not so good with some el cheapo eBay ones!

Yes I'm aware they are all Chinese made.... so quality varies.

Or fit Peak ignition- expensive but worth it.

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I would send a plug for Pertronix LU-142. I have three in use.

Kev, with the issues we have been having with points, my daughter has suggested going to electronic.
I’m always nervous that if electronic fails your stuck. With points your bush mechanic skills will get it to run (perhaps not well, but running anyway).
But as it’s my daughters car she wouldn’t be able to jerry rig them anyway.
Perhaps the answer is electronic and carry a set of points and condenser as well.

Phil

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I must be one of the lucky ones
MK1 cooper S put on the road October 2011
23D4 distributer , still has the same points and condenser from day 1

Not so lucky with the van
Aldon yellow points distributer , new coil , fail
After market copy MK1 electronic ignition distributor with the new coil , Fail
Aldon with electronic ignition and my dirty old 40 year old coil runs and so far has not failed
although the timing is scattered
Going to get a 23d4 and the Aldon regrafted with points
Have a another brand new Lucas gold sports coil to try
I have new points and condenser for the Aldon 45d style , but now not confident
think I will go with the regrafted 23D4 points and the sports coil
what do you think

slacko

Another option would be to graft 23/25d points into the 45d, its not hard to do but you still have to get the reliable points as the situation is the same for 25d as 45d.
The reason I still run points is that I found the points replacement to be just as unreliable. I have 4 of them here, all faulty powerspark and others. What I run now suits me but most would say not as I run an electronic unit I built years ago that does all that the points replacements do but uses points for the low voltage trigger. The new quality points I now have should last forever and if the electronics fail I can change over with the flick of a switch and be going again.
I also have a 65d which I have run in the past and is probably the best option but the curve doesn't suit the current engine.

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Phil850 wrote:
'Perhaps the answer is electronic and carry a set of points and condenser as well'

I carried a spare points 29D with clamp, timing set to just drop in, for years.
Currently carrying a spare 43D with a Powermax in it. Saves swapping cap.
Current powermax suit a 1.5 or 3 ohm coil and have protection if ignition left on. Unlike earlier modules.
I've also run Pertronix years ago without a problem.

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I’ve been using the cheap Accuspark electronic module since 2016 and no problems with it

I have a spare points distributor in the boot, but the contacts end up getting corroded as it’s not in use. I’d suggest a spare whole distributor, or at least a baseplate with points installed to make it as easy as possible if you ever need to change them

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I also had the cheap Accuspark and as a backup went for the base plate option. Just need to undo the 2 baseplate screws. They take up less space than having a spare dizzy and no need to recheck the timing.

It’s really frustrating!
I had a 1968 HB Torana with points.
Then a 1972 XA Falcon Hardtop 351 with points.
The wife and I then had a LH Torana 202 for many many years with points.
None of them ever gave a problem. Yes, every 6 to 12 months I would check the points for gap and pitting (wish I knew what happened to my points file) but they very rarely needed attention.
The great thing about points is if the car was off song, a quick inspection and adjustment and you were on your way.
With modern electronic ignition it just dies and then it’s a tilt tray ride to the auto electrician.

Phil

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A lot of issues are due to small amounts of wear in the bushes and advance plate. The other cars were possibly less worn out if it was long ago that you had them. Chinese distributors can wear out within 1000km.

On top of this, most new points have too much spring tension. I often read over twice the tension that they should have. Excessive tension causes bush wear and points cam wear. Reduced tension causes bouncing at high RPMs.

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Too many minis

But when you ring up and tell the supplier, you always get the same response. "No one else has had that problem"

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If already having a nice day please disregard.

I have had this response as well.
Below is a bit of a rant I had on another forum regarding part quality or lack there of.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/classic-rang ... st-me.html

Phil

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Or they say"Its brand new, it can't be faulty" or "it must be abother fault"
Also while trying to order a "Good" set of points I found a supplier on ebay that showed a picture of the correct ones but then supplied a set of inferiore ones. When told that the supplied item was different to their description and picture they replied "they are for a 45d which is what you ordered". And they still have the wrong picture up.

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