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 Post subject: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:18 am 
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I have a 1275 engine that has done around 1000ks. When it first starts up in the morning the exhaust is clear. After a couple of minutes idling there is blue smoke out the exhaust. If you hold the the accellerator around 3000rpm, the exhaust is clear. If I pump the accellerator once or twice there is blue smoke. Why is there blue smoke at idle but not under revs?


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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:31 am 
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Do you have valve oil seals (top hats) fitted on the exhaust valve guides?


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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:59 pm 
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carbon wrote:
Do you have valve oil seals (top hats) fitted on the exhaust valve guides?


have they gone hard or perished ! :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:29 pm 
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No seals fitted on exhaust valves.


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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:53 pm 
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Only Minis made mid 70s on got exhaust seals fitted.
[edit] And if running manganese bronze guides the exhaust valves can seize if seals fitted.
Mk1 S didn't have seals on exhausts, nor did Alfas, Fiats etc.
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Edited re K Liners, as GR says they work fine with seals on for road use.

Have the guides been pressed in too far, if so the oil level can get above the guide and seep down the valve stem.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:32 am 
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An old school test is to drive to top of big hill and on the way back down don't touch throttle, you can use brakes, but let it "engine brake" to bottom, then nail throttle to floor. Big puff of blue smoke usually indicates valve guide / seal problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:41 am 
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Do you have a brake booster fitted?
What are the symptoms for a failed brake booster diaphragm?
I know you can get smoke, but not sure of colour and under what conditions.
Does the smoke smell like brake fluid?


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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:57 am 
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IndigoBlueCooperS wrote:
Do you have a brake booster fitted?
What are the symptoms for a failed brake booster diaphragm?
I know you can get smoke, but not sure of colour and under what conditions.
Does the smoke smell like brake fluid?


Smells different to engine oil , more like burnt food. :)
The brake fluid level would keep going down and engine may run bad at idle due to air leak.


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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
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IndigoBlueCooperS wrote:
Do you have a brake booster fitted?
What are the symptoms for a failed brake booster diaphragm?
I know you can get smoke, but not sure of colour and under what conditions.
Does the smoke smell like brake fluid?


Brake Fluid burns White...believe me! I know :!: :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:19 pm 
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kaka wrote:
After a couple of minutes idling there is blue smoke out the exhaust. If you hold the the accellerator around 3000rpm, the exhaust is clear.


does this read as pulling in oil under vacuum? dad's car did that after he ran it in by driving like an old lady, after a decent thrashing it was fine

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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:37 pm 
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I have been informed that with more k's on the engine the carbon will built up and stop the engine from smoking at idle.


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 Post subject: Re: Blue smoke
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:53 am 
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That folklore `may?' be true if oil is coming up past the rings. But not if it's coming down the valve guides.
At this mileage, it should NOT be burning oil or blowing blue smoke. Check valve guides and seals. If rings, it would blow smoke under load.

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